Census: Less than half of England and Wales population identifies as Christian

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BMS

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Temujin said:
There's no scientific consensus around which precise genes are responsible for homosexuality.
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There is no consensus of scientific agreement as to the cause(s) of same sex attraction.

There's near universal agreement that there is a genetic component and that it is substantial.
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No there isnt.
Identical twin studies demonstrate this, as do studies on very fecund women, who frequently have homosexual siblings, indicating a genetic link. Your suggestion that since there's no scientific consensus on the precise mechanism, the whole idea should be rejected, is just silly.
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Its not clear!
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

On the Psychogenesis of Homosexuality

The best-established facts in relation to homosexuality point to developmental-psychological, not genetic or physiological, causation. The efforts of the last few decades to find evidence to support a biological theory have made it more doubtful than ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You have produced no evidence suggesting that homosexuality is genetic. Do dont know what you are atlking about chap, and you cant back up your claims
 
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Lastdaysbeliever said:
I do have issues. Issues with where this world has gone, particularly in the last decade and we see this gradual regressiveness that is now snowballing out of control with the advent of humanism and atheism (Madalyn Murray O'Hare) over spirituality. So, yea, I have issues but I am honest about my opinions, irrespective of yours, and other liberals, push backs. Don't like my opinions? Walk away. Better yet, call me out, like Backup told me I needed to be, to force me to change my views...
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America was much more sexually promiscuous in the 1970s.

Atheism is spreading because of the internet and people having more access to information. That, and the fact Christian apologists have utterly failed to rationalize their worldview.

The hating on the gays has turned a lot of people away, too
 
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Backup said:
America was much more sexually promiscuous in the 1970s.
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I lived as an adult in the 70's, I was there.
Backup said:
Atheism is spreading because of the internet and people having more access to information.
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Actually it's satan's plan, not atheists. Atheist's believe it's theirs but it's not.
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That, and the fact Christian apologists have utterly failed to rationalize their worldview.
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We are to be in the world, not of the world. Something you continue to ignore.
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The hating on the gays has turned a lot of people away, too
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I don't hate homosexuals. You throw that word, hate, around like the woke throw racism, to such a degree it's lost its efficacy. But I understand why. It's the only way you can demonize us. Keep at it. It may actually stick one day.
 
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Backup said:
America was much more sexually promiscuous in the 1970s.
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I would probably agree with that, but far less perverted

Atheism is spreading because of the internet and people having more access to information.
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Arguable. I hear people say if one reads the Bible all through one will become atheist and I hear people say they read the Bible all through and become believers.
That, and the fact Christian apologists have utterly failed to rationalize their worldview.
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its a spiritual revelation and there are many factors that seduce people into pleasure and selfishness

The hating on the gays has turned a lot of people away, too
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We dont hate anyone, least of all our Christian brothers and sisters with same sex attraction who live for God, whom I assume you would call gay?
 
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Lastdaysbeliever said:
I lived as an adult in the 70's, I was there.

Actually it's satan's plan, not atheists. Atheist's believe it's theirs but it's not.

We are to be in the world, not of the world. Something you continue to ignore.

I don't hate homosexuals. You throw that word, hate, around like the woke throw racism, to such a degree it's lost its efficacy. But I understand why. It's the only way you can demonize us. Keep at it. It may actually stick one day.
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seem like if you think there is some supernatural creature responsible for the failure of your message, you will never do anything to rectify it

fine by me
 
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Backup said:
seem like if you think there is some supernatural creature responsible for the failure of your message, you will never do anything to rectify it

fine by me
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Your identity groups such as gays and Christians arent actually people groups at all since they dont have all gays or Christians in them. Your groups are ideologues
 
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Temujin said:
And the relevance to the OP is what exactly? Are you blaming Tictoc for the demise of the Church of England in the UK? It's a legitimate theory.
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I would point out the Bible and indeed history in general has kingdoms, empires and states demise when they reach levels of wealth and sexual indulgence.
 
Algor

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BMS said:
There is no consensus of scientific agreement as to the cause(s) of same sex attraction.


No there isnt.

Its not clear!
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

On the Psychogenesis of Homosexuality

The best-established facts in relation to homosexuality point to developmental-psychological, not genetic or physiological, causation. The efforts of the last few decades to find evidence to support a biological theory have made it more doubtful than ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You have produced no evidence suggesting that homosexuality is genetic. Do dont know what you are atlking about chap, and you cant back up your claims
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Duelling PubMed! You are a bit behind the times. Like many prevalent behavioural patterns, same-sex gender attraction appearsto be multifactorial, and genetics plays a part.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Large-scale GWAS reveals insights into the genetic architecture of same-sex sexual behavior

Across human societies and in both sexes, some 2 to 10% of individuals report engaging in sex with same-sex partners, either exclusively or in addition to sex with opposite-sex partners. Twin and family studies have shown that same-sex sexual behavior ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This result has been replicated since.
 
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Algor said:
Duelling PubMed! You are a bit behind the times. Like many prevalent behavioural patterns, same-sex gender attraction appearsto be multifactorial, and genetics plays a part.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Large-scale GWAS reveals insights into the genetic architecture of same-sex sexual behavior

Across human societies and in both sexes, some 2 to 10% of individuals report engaging in sex with same-sex partners, either exclusively or in addition to sex with opposite-sex partners. Twin and family studies have shown that same-sex sexual behavior ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This result has been replicated since.
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No scientific consensus means what it says. This is just one of a number of studies, it isnt the consensus.
 
Algor

Algor

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BMS said:
No scientific consensus means what it says. This is just one of a number of studies, it isnt the consensus.
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No, lol, there is now good scientific consensus that homosexuality has a genetic component. HOW those genetic variations end up being associated with homosexual behavior is a different question, and a good one. Nobody is arguing for genetic determinism.
 
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