Authentic Nouveau
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But as a fringe scientist, if i sent you a biopsy of a new born twin and a biopsy of one not yet delivered, you couldn't tell which you define as a human and which you define as a blob.
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mikeT
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You'd be arrested for stealing private medical records from the doctor treating the toe fungus you got from sleeping underneath an overpass in a wet sleeping bag.
wiseones2cents
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Live where? There is NO socialist countries. For that mater, there is NO capitalist countries left! America is the biggest Enron type corporation the world has seen.lol The entire economy is made with worthless paper money!!
You mean all the super rich Russian oligarchs(the bad commies) that now live in the USA and other western countries? If they were so evil, why were they welcomed by the west with open arms? The west was bank rolling Russia to start an arms race they BOTH profited richly from. At the expense of tax payers!
I know MOST people DO NOT live in comfort in the west. That luxury comes with a STEEP price! That's why most immigrants have to work 3 jobs! but' I'd imagine most Americans that inherited their wealth, think capitalism is dandy!!
Most people are struggling to make ends meet and thats a fact not even you can deny!
Crazy Ivan
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Keep doing what you do WW2C. You’re entertaining, at least!
wiseones2cents
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What's wrong? Couldn't handle the facts?
Crazy Ivan
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What's wrong? Couldn't handle the facts?
wiseones2cents
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You have no real argument to support capitalism. Only capitalism propaganda that falls apart to scrutiny.
Authentic Nouveau
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Your next donut from Tim Hortons delivered via many layers of capitalism.You have no real argument to support capitalism. Only capitalism propaganda that falls apart to scrutiny.
Donuts, lattes, wi-fi, laptops croissants have not arrived at your Socialist Utopia Korea Norte.
wiseones2cents
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Yawn. Socialism can deliver those same donuts, more healthier and much cheaper.
But they have all those in other socialist leaning countries. Again you fail to discredit socialism. Dont even think you know what the word means.lol
Crazy Ivan
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You have no real argument to support capitalism. Only capitalism propaganda that falls apart to scrutiny.
LOL sure thing.
wiseones2cents
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Thanks for proving it again with no counter argument. !! NEXT !!!
wiseones2cents
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Yesterday I paid $9 for a 500ml bottle of regular water. You wont find that in Venezuela either!
Crazy Ivan
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I mean, I'm going to be brutally honest with you here. "Arguing" with you is like talking to a rock. I literally give you people who have lived in these countries, and you sit there fat and happy in Canda, with everything you really need in life, telling me that YOU are right about socialism, and how great it is, while bemoaning capitalism (which you reap the fruits of), and tell me that the people who actually live in these socialist countries don't really get it. I mean, my wife and daughter just got back from a mission trip to Cuba and have seen socialism up front. People there don't even have necessities like toothpaste. Yeah, socialism is AWESOME dude. Just awesome. (of course here you come with the "that's not REALLY socialism" nonsense)
After a while, it just becomes laughable (and utterly pointless) to argue with you. It's not that there aren't arguments against your position. It's that you literally dismiss them all - including first hand testimony of people who have experienced socialism - out of hand. How can anyone "argue" against someone who does that?
wiseones2cents
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The feeling is mutual towards you. Thus your statement means nothing.
First of all? I my understanding of global economics is eons ahead of you. Just by the way you talk I know your knowledge is all based on propaganda.
Socialism is another word for meaning self sufficient, therefore trade should be minimal. Yes Cuba is one of the countries that WAS truly socialist in nature, but that is not the reason it fails. It fails because of Capitalist economic sanctions. If the US allowed tourism to Cuba, it would be booming!!
But hey! America doesn't do business with communists. Ahem....China....
What's laughable is your arguments. Most of the people I talk to are struggling financially and this was BEFORE the covid pandemic. It is worse now with people losing their jobs by the millions/billions!!!
You have any idea how many businesses have gone bankrupt in the last 10+ years? 90% of the places I frequented no longer exist. And everything that remains charges TWICE as much. You can't even go out anymore without dropping $200 !
Global shortages everywhere thanks to "free market capitalism" (exporting your manufacturing).
And this is the kicker. Our social group left Dave and Busters, because they increased their demand( i hope the GM Tammy and the Trinidadian/Guyanese event manager get fired. I have NEVER seen a place run worse. Which she says is because of D&B management that has her hands tied(I don't believe it).
Every place we looked to move to? Is not owned by US and UK corporations! Nothing is owned by Canadians anymore....Capitalists have bought our sovereignty right underneath us. I hear China is also investing heavily in US farmlands.
Closing argument? Those "socialist" countries are ALL being oppressed by Imperial America via economic sanctions. Yup, their economic woes are due to capitalism.
Crazy Ivan
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LOL okay. This is kind of what I mean.
("People are losing jobs by the billions" says WW2C....let that sink in, everyone. And he knows this because "most of the people he's talked to" are struggling.)
("People are losing jobs by the billions" says WW2C....let that sink in, everyone. And he knows this because "most of the people he's talked to" are struggling.)
wiseones2cents
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How many people world wide have lost their jobs due to the destruction of supply chains and businesses due to the lockdowns? Sounds like you are clueless!
I posted a whole lot of material and this is all he could muster. LOL Let that sink in everyone. He has no counter argument.
All he can do is parrot capitalist talking points he really doesn't even grasp.
How many people here are struggling with inflation/debt/cost of living???
Here is an example of someone living comfortably(not) in capitalism. Perpetual slavery!!
Meet a 52-year-old who has struggled to repay their $480,000 in student debt on income-driven plans and has pushed off retirement: 'This is an albatross around my neck for the rest of my life'
Angel finally got a government job where they can use the degree they paid for. But it doesn't make up for the years their student debt has surged.
Crazy Ivan
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Um....not BILLIONS dude.
I posted a whole lot of material and this is all he could muster. LOL Let that sink in everyone. He has no counter argument.
All he can do is parrot capitalist talking points he really doesn't even grasp.
How many people here are struggling with inflation/debt/cost of living???
Here is an example of someone living comfortably(not) in capitalism. Perpetual slavery!!
Meet a 52-year-old who has struggled to repay their $480,000 in student debt on income-driven plans and has pushed off retirement: 'This is an albatross around my neck for the rest of my life'
Angel finally got a government job where they can use the degree they paid for. But it doesn't make up for the years their student debt has surged.ca.news.yahoo.com
Everyone note that WW2C sits in his cushy place, enjoying the fruits of living in a mostly capitalist Western country, never having actually been to a socialist country, never actually having seen it in person, and imagines he knows more about socialism than actual people who have actually lived in them.
And when the flaws of socialism are pointed out, he either (1) denies that those failed countries are socialist ("it's never REALLY been tried") or says the reason they've failed is because they have been isolated by capitalist countries economically.
So the real question is: Is there a real-world example of an ACTUAL socialist country that's succeeded? Not one that has a few government programs, but an ACTUAL socialist country?
I submit that by WW2C's understanding of socialism, there's never ever actually been a socialist country that's existed in human history. Ergo, he has no real-world examples where socialism has succeeded. Just living in his fantasy land of theory.
Authentic Nouveau
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You are restricted to hype to peddle socialism.You have no real argument to support capitalism. Only capitalism propaganda that falls apart to scrutiny.
Go find a person that moved from America to Venezuela to get away from capitalism Just one. That tells you he is better off.
Well, I did not recognize your abbreviation for him, and I don't pay much attention to his posts, but when you mentioned him by his full name, I remembered some of what he posts.
I just did not think of him in the context of socialism without having poster names in front of me.
Authentic Nouveau
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Every "socialist" deal requires a lot of push/pressure by some type of central planning and ruler.
In psych 101, you all read about the Skinner box. The bird pecking the lever to get a seed/reward.
Operant conditioning.
Nobody can set up a Skinner Box and catch a mouse pushing a lever just to feed his buddy in the next box.
Socialism provides no motivational incentive to produce or even more create high producers.