Chesterton on the Fall
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e v e 21
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in the picture, the flat disc is the satanic principalities vampiring eden…. the lampstand they corrupted is recognizable below too.. where eden was below and to the east, and heaven.
in the large tree‘s western branches would be
the current cosmos and this earth , but so small in scale, not even visible on this image.
i will look for some enoch…
treeplanter
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You got some 'way out there' beliefs, Eve
That said, the vast, overwhelming, majority of Christians assert that God is in charge
CrowCross
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Dude, I don't care what you think about this topic anymore.
CrowCross
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what are you talking about? Cubes, binary sun and moon...
CrowCross
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Thank you for digging up this info..but?????
in the picture, the flat disc is the satanic principalities vampiring eden…. the lampstand they corrupted is recognizable below too.. where eden was below and to the east, and heaven.
in the large tree‘s western branches would be
the current cosmos and this earth , but so small in scale, not even visible on this image.
i will look for some enoch…
treeplanter
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In other words:
"I am not able to support my position"
Duly noted, Crow, duly noted
Have a good night
CrowCross
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Believe whatever you need to believe.
Your objections have been answered. You have been shown as to not have a clue concerning this issue.
SCREEEEEEECH....what's that sound? Oh, it's you moving the goal post again.
As I said, I'm done with you on this topic. If you need God to be an evil demon.....have at it.
stiggy wiggy
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LOL Are they any kin to the Talking Heads?
Whoops! You forgot for the 7th time in this thread to show us where in the Bible we find:
"And it is this God who inflicted corrupted natures upon us."
Just another oversight, I'm sure, right?
Yeah, you said that. About 20 times. Here, let me help you. Fill in the blanks:
"In the Bible, in the book of ______________, chapter ____, verse ____, we see where God consciously and purposefully inflicted the needless harm of corrupted natures upon humanity."
Now it won't do you any good to ignore your task by mumbling some more weird stuff about federal heads, since I'm gonna keep dogging you to fill in those blanks until you admit you can't because you made it up.
e v e 21
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i never commented in God being in charge. Of course He wins.
e v e 21
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it’s difficult to discuss because of the forum format…
the image describes the cosmology after eden fell.
e v e 21
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actually every ancient text says the same… so i guess i believe those texts more than fake modern news.
treeplanter
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Good luck, Crow
I wish you well with the cognitive dissonance that you are experiencing
treeplanter
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How many times must you be told, stiggy?
There are no verses explicitly stating that God consciously and purposefully inflicted the needless harm of corrupted natures upon humanity!
This, however, does not change the fact this IS the Christian position
It's all according to His plan
stiggy wiggy
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BINGO! So you made it up.
There is no Christian "position" that does not comport with scripture. You made it up and have been caught out on it.
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treeplanter
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No, I did NOT make it up!
Per Christianity, God consciously and purposefully inflicted the needless harm of corrupted natures upon humanity
That God consciously and purposefully inflicted the needless harm of corrupted natures upon humanity DOES purport with scripture!
We have been over this before, stiggy
There is meaning in the bible beyond that which is explicitly stated
You are so very hypocritical it's ridiculous
You are the 1st, when it suits your needs, to scream that inference and deduction are perfectly applicable to a reading of scripture, but then turn right around and scream, when it suits your needs, that only that which is explicitly stated can be held as the Word of God
This doesn't say what you think it does. I only states that sin entered the world by Adam. All that means is that Adam was the first human male to sin. Because he sinned, he died. Likewise, all of humanity dies because they all sin. There is nothing about being born with a corrupted nature that causes us to sin. You should look elsewhere.
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Lt. Columbo
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I have occasionally acted with selfless compassion and goodwill. Where did this good nature come from? If from God, for what purpose would he give us opposing (good and bad) natures? Can someone explain this to me? In the words of Inspector Poirot, “I don’t understand anything here.”
It's not the consequence of Adam's action but the consequence of our own sinful actions which cause the same consequence to be applied. You're not understanding it correctly.
Adam sinned and his punishment was death. We sin and our punishment is death.
Not everyone sins. Children are not considered guilty of sin if they don't have the knowledge of good and evil.
stiggy wiggy
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No. You never did. You were supposed to be providing an example where I believed something in the Bible because it is inferred rather than explicitly stated. You ignorantly chose abortion. But in the Decalogue God EXPLICITLY forbids killing other human beings.
You may as well claim that God doesn't forbid matricide, since He doesn't explicitly say, "Thou shalt not kill mothers." "Thou shalt not kill" includes mothers, fathers, plumbers and children. Abortion kills children, so its prohibition is included in the Decalogue.
Because it's not. God forbids abortion. He neither explicitly nor implicitly says He gave you a corrupt nature.