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BMS

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Gay people also have anatomy for sexual intimacy.
Gay is sexual attraction. Two gay people only have the anatomy if one is a man and the other is a woman. You are blinded by your ideology
Indeed almost everybody does.
Well everyone is a man or a woman or intersex, few are 'gay' So no, another false claim

Which leaves reproduction, which in the era of IVF, surrogacy, adoption and Turkey blasters, leaves no argument at all. Which is what we have been saying you have for a long time now.
IVF needs the male sperm and the female ovum. Done this simple biology lesson for you already.
There ARE two sexes , with compatible anatomy for sexual intimacy and reproduction, get used to the reality
 

BMS

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When you have nothing else at all, resort to primary school playground insults to show off how "clever" you are. Even that isn't original.
When in your obsession you cant acknowledge reality and peddle a lie, playground insults triggers you I see.
 

shnarkle

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Definitions are arbitrary
Only in a descriptive dictionary. This isn't the case in prescriptive dictionaries.
you must prove that this "correct" definition is correct.
Please prove that marriage = "one man, one woman", objectively.
The definition of the term "marry" comes from a Latin word which means "to impregnate", and this is precisely and historically what the church and the state have been doing for thousands of years. Redefining the term doesn't make it so. Two men cannot impregnate each other. Two women cannot impregnate each other. That is an empirical objective fact. Q.E.D.
You act as though "one man, one woman" is a law of physics, or something - why?
Where is this objectivity coming from?
The definition of the word, and the historical, biological objective fact.
This is a slippery slope fallacy; there would still be provisions for things like age of consent, and mental capacity.
Sure, but these are to prevent pregnancies from occurring. That's not an issue with oxymoronic notions like gay marriage.
 
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Eightcrackers

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Only in a descriptive dictionary. This isn't the case in prescriptive dictionaries.
"Prescriptive dictionary"?

Non-technical dictionaries are not prescriptive.
The definition of the term "marry" comes from a Latin word which means "to impregnate", and this is precisely and historically what the church and the state have been doing for thousands of years.
Lots of words have usages that are now completely divorced (pun intended) from their etymologies.

"It started out meaning <X>" does not establish objectivity, or "correctness", whatever that means.
 

shnarkle

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"Prescriptive dictionary"?
Correct.
Non-technical dictionaries are not prescriptive.
False.
True, but only within descriptive dictionaries. This isn't the case with those who understand the original, primary, historical, and cultural purpose of marriage. There is no law preventing people from fulfilling the original, and primary biological as well as social purpose of marriage.
"It started out meaning <X>" does not establish objectivity,
When an institution begins sanctioning pregnancies, then that's exactly what it being established. They are synonymous terms. e.g.:
official permission or approval for an action:
"he appealed to the bishop for his sanction"
synonyms
authorization · consent · leave · permission · authority · warrant · license · dispensation · assent · acquiescence · agreement · approval · seal/stamp of approval · approbation · recognition · endorsement · accreditation · confirmation · ratification · validation · blessing · imprimatur · clearance · acceptance · allowance · permit
or "correctness", whatever that means.
cor·rect
[kəˈrekt]

ADJECTIVE

  1. free from error; in accordance with fact or truth:
 

Eightcrackers

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Correct.

False.

True, but only within descriptive dictionaries. This isn't the case with those who understand the original, primary, historical, and cultural purpose of marriage. There is no law preventing people from fulfilling the original, and primary biological as well as social purpose of marriage.

When an institution begins sanctioning pregnancies, then that's exactly what it being established. They are synonymous terms. e.g.:
official permission or approval for an action:
"he appealed to the bishop for his sanction"
synonyms
authorization · consent · leave · permission · authority · warrant · license · dispensation · assent · acquiescence · agreement · approval · seal/stamp of approval · approbation · recognition · endorsement · accreditation · confirmation · ratification · validation · blessing · imprimatur · clearance · acceptance · allowance · permit

cor·rect
[kəˈrekt]

ADJECTIVE

  1. free from error; in accordance with fact or truth:
So, your argument is

"marriage must involve procreation because the word comes from a Latin word for procreation"

?
 

shnarkle

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So, your argument is

"marriage must involve procreation because the word comes from a Latin word for procreation"

?
No. Historically, the Church and State discovered that they had a common goal of building healthy productive families which are the foundation of a healthy society, but more specifically a healthy productive Church and State. So the church began to sanction pregnancies, but not just any pregnancies. They investigated those wishing to enter into this institution as well as their families, friends, etc. because their goal is to build alliances that are going to benefit and build both the church and state society, and they can't do this until they sanction the pregnancies. The term used is "marriage; marry" which literally means "to impregnate".

They are prescribing pregnancies. They are not describing something else and attributing it to pregnancies, or claiming it is somehow synonymous to something they're not sanctioning at all and has nothing to do with getting pregnant.
 

BMS

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So, your argument is

"marriage must involve procreation because the word comes from a Latin word for procreation"

?
If one doesnt include the potential for procreation then one has ignored the most significant difference. This is why same sex coupling as marriage under the pretext of equality, isnt equality
 
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