I can I was asking you, do you now think you identify as me?Yeah, you do. You can't. We all knew that.
Would you like a picture of a man and a woman so you cant see the difference?Yeah, you do. You can't. We all knew that.
Have you never seen someone you can't tell the anatomy of just by looking at them fully clothed? I am sure you have.have you never seen a woman or a man? I am sure you have. Have another look and see the observable differemces in anatomy one can see even when they are fully dressed
Yes, but have you ever seen anyone normally clothed you could identify as a man rather than a woman if you knew which was which?Have you never seen someone you can't tell the anatomy of just by looking at them fully clothed? I am sure you have.
Why do you have so much trouble following a conversation? You can't support your claim, which is no surprise to anybody.I can I was asking you, do you now think you identify as me?
I already know the difference.Would you like a picture of a man and a woman so you cant see the difference?
Nope.Would you like picture of a bus and a giraffe so we can see whether we agree on what they are?
A man who calls himself a 'transwoman' is a manWhy do you have so much trouble following a conversation? You can't support your claim, which is no surprise to anybody.
I already know the difference.
A man who calls himself a woman is a woman.A man who calls himself a 'transwoman' is a man
Are you going to continue asking questions, or do you have an actual point to make?Yes, but have you ever seen anyone normally clothed you could identify as a man rather than a woman if you knew which was which?
Have you ever seen a man dressed in woman's clothing. Have you ever heard of a wolf in sheep's clothing?
I said MAN not woman.
Would you define - or point me to your defition of - woman, please?
No, its the man who is calling himself something, so he is a man.
Incorrect on both accounts.There's no such thing as a "fetal woman".
Nobody is "pro-abortion".
Do you acknowledge the difference between pro-abortion and pro-choice?Incorrect on both accounts.
In today's political climate I can call anyone I like a woman, even the female fetus, and everyone claiming abortion is a Constitutional right is pro-abortion. For them it is a right. According to June's Pew poll, 61% believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases. If we separated the "all" from the "most" and found that only 10%, or only 1%, were in favor of the "all" that would be evidence someone is pro-abortion. More accurately, nearly everyone is pro-abortion - including me - but we place the dividing line pertaining to when and/or under what conditions the procedure occurs in different places. Some hold it is acceptable - they are pro-abortion - only in cases when either the fetal life or the maternal life is in physical mortal danger. Others - they too are pro-abortion - use the point of survival outside the womb as the dividing point of moral and/or legal permissibility. Some, according to Pew, are pro-abortion all the time and have no line of separation at all.
Depends.Do you acknowledge the difference between pro-abortion and pro-choice?
No, it does not. That might be your interpretation but that is not objective.Because pro-abortion suggests that somebody is actively encouraging women to have abortions, and sees them as a moral plus.
Then you make no distinction between approving of a behaviour, and being in favour of the right to that behaviour?Depends.
Politically there may be a difference. Logically there is none because a "pro-choice" view is "pro-abortion," as a possible, legitimate, and veracious choice, and pro-abortion in any and all occasion when a person so chooses. The supposed caveat, "I personally don't believe abortion should occur," does not change the necessary outcome of the position.
And such people would be pro-abortion.Furthermore, there are in fact people who do actively encourage women to have abortions.
Of course!! all MEN also!!!"My Body My Choice"
Is this a right for all women?
Please don't tell me what I do or do not do. I am quite capable of articulating my own views.Then you make no distinction....
There is no right to abortion. Many people make that claim but it is nowhere to be found in the Constitution and the Supreme Court does not legislate laws.Then you make no distinction between approving of a behaviour, and being in favour of the right to that behaviour?
False equivalence, appeal to personal anecdote, and red herring.I don't approve of smoking or alcohol, but I wouldn't want to see others' right to do so taken away.
Yep.And such people would be pro-abortion.
Irrelevant. You were the one bringing up the matter of "moral plus" in others.I am not; I do not consider abortion itself to be a question of morality.
I didn't tell you - you mined that part of my question, and then quoted the question.Please don't tell me what I do or do not do. I am quite capable of articulating my own views.
I'll rephrase: do you draw a distinction between disapproving of a behaviour, and wanting said behaviour to be outlawed?There is no right to abortion. Many people make that claim but it is nowhere to be found in the Constitution and the Supreme Court does not legislate laws.
I gave an example of approving of a right to do a thing, but the doing of the thing.False equivalence, appeal to personal anecdote, and red herring.
Did I?So you've just contradicted yourself: you originally said no one is pro-abortion
Ain't my claim, so I don't know why you're telling me...Remember: this current exchange is not about the whole of the abortion debate. It is about one single statement another made and I disputed; the claim no one is pro-abortion.
I have corrected those statements in my previous post. I mistakenly confused you with the poster making the original claim. I thought I'd corrected those statements when I caught my mistake but see I didn't catch them all. Appreciate you bringing the error to my attention.Did I?
And that is disingenuous because we all know there are people who meet the criteria provided and I provided evidence to that effect.What I actually said was what the "pro-abortion" position would be.
Yep, and I have amended my post accordingly. The salient point is since there are people who do hold it the prior statement claiming no one is pro-abortion is incorrect and so too is your statement I make no distinctions.I never said that nobody held it.