Chosen to Salvation !

brightfame52

Well-known member
Not in any of those context as the lexicons show

Not if one examines the evidence

No you do not have a clue

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

not sheep only

John 3:17 —KJV
“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”

not sheep only

John 6:51 —KJV
“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

not sheep only

John 12:47 —KJV
“And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”

not sheep only

It is impossible sheep only are meant here \
World can apply to the Sheep
 

TomFL

Well-known member
World can apply to the Sheep
Still once more you ignore all evidence

Not in any of those context as the lexicons show

Not if one examines the evidence

No you do not have a clue

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

not sheep only

John 3:17 —KJV
“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”

not sheep only

John 6:51 —KJV
“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

not sheep only

John 12:47 —KJV
“And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”

not sheep only

It is impossible sheep only are meant here \
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Still once more you ignore all evidence

Not in any of those context as the lexicons show

Not if one examines the evidence

No you do not have a clue

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

not sheep only

John 3:17 —KJV
“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”

not sheep only

John 6:51 —KJV
“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

not sheep only

John 12:47 —KJV
“And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”

not sheep only

It is impossible sheep only are meant here \
Can't get around it World can refer to the Sheep.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Can't get around it World can refer to the Sheep.
Another repetitive avoidance of scripture and it context

Still once more you ignore all evidence

Not in any of those context as the lexicons show

Not if one examines the evidence

No you do not have a clue

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

not sheep only

John 3:17 —KJV
“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”

not sheep only

John 6:51 —KJV
“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

not sheep only

John 12:47 —KJV
“And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”

not sheep only

It is impossible sheep only are meant here \
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Another repetitive avoidance of scripture and it context

Still once more you ignore all evidence

Not in any of those context as the lexicons show

Not if one examines the evidence

No you do not have a clue

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

not sheep only

John 3:17 —KJV
“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”

not sheep only

John 6:51 —KJV
“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

not sheep only

John 12:47 —KJV
“And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”

not sheep only

It is impossible sheep only are meant here \
When world is used in regards to Salvation or Who Christ died for, who God loves it is the Sheep, the totality of them exclusively.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
When world is used in regards to Salvation or Who Christ died for, who God loves it is the Sheep, the totality of them exclusively.
The evidence contradicted you

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

not sheep only

John 3:17 —KJV
“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”

not sheep only

John 6:51 —KJV
“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

not sheep only

John 12:47 —KJV
“And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”

not sheep only

It is impossible sheep only are meant here

context as well
 

Sethproton

Well-known member
According to your errant theology, God failed in His endeavor to save the whole entire world as by your misinterpretation that is what He set out to do.
The answer to your issue is to define identify exactly what Jesus accomplished at the cross. Of course it was successful, but what do we see in scripture describing what he actually did there?
If you just take the word saviour and apply it however you feel like, you may come up with non-Biblical ideas.
But if you focus on what the Bible says happened at the cross, I think you will stay in the truth
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
brightfame52 said:
World can apply to the Sheep
Where do you get that?

Um, the same way "honey" can refer to someone's wife, even though no dictionary would list that meaning.

That's the problem with presuming to make "proclamations" about "the Greek" (as you and Tom constantly do), without actually LEARNING the language, and falsely thinking that accessing "lexicons" is sufficient to unlock the entire Bible.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Um, the same way "honey" can refer to someone's wife, even though no dictionary would list that meaning.

That's the problem with presuming to make "proclamations" about "the Greek" (as you and Tom constantly do), without actually LEARNING the language, and falsely thinking that accessing "lexicons" is sufficient to unlock the entire Bible.
TSK TSK

Your so called knowledge could not keep you from erroneously interpreting the world God loved as the physical place rather than the people of the world

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

Nor does it keep you from being contradicted by BAGD in some critical passages

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

John 3:17 —KJV
“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”

John 6:51 —KJV
“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

John 12:47 —KJV
“And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”


William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

and no lexicon gives sheep as a meaning for kosmos
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
The evidence contradicted you

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

not sheep only

John 3:17 —KJV
“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”

not sheep only

John 6:51 —KJV
“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

not sheep only

John 12:47 —KJV
“And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”

not sheep only

It is impossible sheep only are meant here

context as well
Jn 10 tells us who the World is Christ laid down His Life for, The Sheep world
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Biblically "world" has different meanings depending on context.
It can mean the universe, the earth, the whole of human population, the evil ways of the world.
Context is imporatnt
I know how the word world has different meanings, you not telling me nothing new. World can mean the Sheep, the Elect, the Church
 

Sethproton

Well-known member
I know how the word world has different meanings, you not telling me nothing new. World can mean the Sheep, the Elect, the Church
I know you have no intention of explaining yourself, so I will just tell you. The Bible never uses the word "world" to mean sheep. there is no place where you can show the word world defined or used as sheep.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
I know you have no intention of explaining yourself, so I will just tell you. The Bible never uses the word "world" to mean sheep. there is no place where you can show the word world defined or used as sheep.
I have already explained myself numerous times. Read my threads.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Jn 10 tells us who the World is Christ laid down His Life for, The Sheep world
The phrase sheep world never appears in scripture

The evidence contradicted you

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

not sheep only

John 3:17 —KJV
“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”

not sheep only

John 6:51 —KJV
“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

not sheep only

John 12:47 —KJV
“And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”

not sheep only

It is impossible sheep only are meant here

context as well
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
The phrase sheep world never appears in scripture

The evidence contradicted you

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47

John 3:16 —KJV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

not sheep only

John 3:17 —KJV
“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”

not sheep only

John 6:51 —KJV
“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

not sheep only

John 12:47 —KJV
“And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”

not sheep only

It is impossible sheep only are meant here

context as well
Doesn't have to. Christ specifically stated who He died for Jn 10. All of them[Sheep] constitute the World He died for.
 
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