Christ obtained Eternal Redemption for us !

brightfame52

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Heb 9:12

neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Who are the us here ? Of course its believers, however they were not always believers. But nevertheless believers or not, if Christ died for one, He for that one has already for them, obtained eternal redemption, even before they are given Faith to believe, but their believing is certain since they already have eternal redemption !
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brightfame52

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Even in their native ungodliness and unbelief by nature, men and women Christ died for have eternal redemption, yes before its applied to them experientially. The word redemption here in Heb 9:12 is the greek word lytrōsis and means:
  1. a ransoming, redemption
  2. deliverance, esp. from the penalty of sin
All for whom Christ died, was made a ransom for, enter into this world already delivered from the penalty of sin ! Even for the sin of unbelief, they are delivered from the penalty of it. God does not and will not impute sin unto them for Christs redemption sake !
 

zerinus

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Christ obtained Eternal Redemption for us!
Only on condition of faith and repentance.
Heb 9:12

neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Who are the us here ? Of course its believers, however they were not always believers. But nevertheless believers or not, if Christ died for one, He for that one has already for them, obtained eternal redemption, even before they are given Faith to believe, but their believing is certain since they already have eternal redemption !
We also have this scripture:

2 Corinthians 5:

14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:


So who were the "all" for when Christ died? The same verse tells you. He died for all that died, which means everybody. Everybody eventually dies, which means that Christ died for everybody, according to this verse.

There is also a scripture (I can't remember the reference right now) in which Paul says that Christ died for him. Does that mean that he died just for Paul, and nobody else? Your heretical Calvinistic theology has no logic to it from the beginning to the end.

Even in their native ungodliness and unbelief by nature, men and women Christ died for have eternal redemption, yes before its applied to them experientially. The word redemption here in Heb 9:12 is the greek word lytrōsis and means:
  1. a ransoming, redemption
  2. deliverance, esp. from the penalty of sin
All for whom Christ died, was made a ransom for, enter into this world already delivered from the penalty of sin ! Even for the sin of unbelief, they are delivered from the penalty of it. God does not and will not impute sin unto them for Christs redemption sake !
In other words, people don't need to repent and keep the commandments of God to be saved. That is the damnable heresy of Calvinism. It is the perfect recipe for eternal cursing and everlasting damnation, would without end.
 
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TomFL

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Heb 9:12

neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Who are the us here ? Of course its believers, however they were not always believers. But nevertheless believers or not, if Christ died for one, He for that one has already for them, obtained eternal redemption, even before they are given Faith to believe, but their believing is certain since they already have eternal redemption !
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None of which is found in the scriptures

John 3:14–18 —ESV
“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.¶ “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.”

John 3:36 —ESV
“Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

John 5:24 —ESV
“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”
 

TomFL

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Even in their native ungodliness and unbelief by nature, men and women Christ died for have eternal redemption, yes before its applied to them experientially. The word redemption here in Heb 9:12 is the greek word lytrōsis and means:
  1. a ransoming, redemption
  2. deliverance, esp. from the penalty of sin
All for whom Christ died, was made a ransom for, enter into this world already delivered from the penalty of sin ! Even for the sin of unbelief, they are delivered from the penalty of it. God does not and will not impute sin unto them for Christs redemption sake !
1 Tim. 2:3–6 —KJV
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
 

brightfame52

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Only on condition of faith and repentance.

We also have this scripture:


2 Corinthians 5:

14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:


So who were the "all" for when Christ died? The same verse tells you. He died for all that died, which means everybody. Everybody eventually dies, which means that Christ died for everybody, according to this verse.

There is also a scripture (I can't remember the reference right now) in which Paul says that Christ died for him. Does that mean that he died just for Paul, and nobody else? Your heretical Calvinistic theology has no logic to it from the beginning to the end.

In other words, people don't need to repent and keep the commandments of God to be saved. That is the damnable heresy of Calvinism. It is the perfect recipe for eternal cursing and everlasting damnation, would without end.
False, Heb 9:12 doesnt say that. Eternal redemption comes to us by the death of Christ !
 

brightfame52

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None of which is found in the scriptures

John 3:14–18 —ESV
“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.¶ “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.”

John 3:36 —ESV
“Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

John 5:24 —ESV
“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”
Wow a clear dissing of scripture !
 

brightfame52

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1 Tim. 2:3–6 —KJV
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
Another clear deflection of scripture !
 

brightfame52

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Christ having obtained Eternal Redemption for us, ensures a Spiritual work within us to bring us to believe. Heb 13:20-21


Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21 make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Now is Faith wellpleasing in His sight ? Yes lets read Heb 11:6


But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
 

TomFL

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Wow a clear dissing of scripture !
LOL and you think scripture disses scripture

John 3:14–18 —ESV
“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.¶ “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.”

John 3:36 —ESV
“Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

John 5:24 —ESV
“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”

You must be confounding scripture with your theology
 

brightfame52

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Only on condition of faith and repentance.

We also have this scripture:


2 Corinthians 5:

14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:


So who were the "all" for when Christ died? The same verse tells you. He died for all that died, which means everybody. Everybody eventually dies, which means that Christ died for everybody, according to this verse.

There is also a scripture (I can't remember the reference right now) in which Paul says that Christ died for him. Does that mean that he died just for Paul, and nobody else? Your heretical Calvinistic theology has no logic to it from the beginning to the end.

In other words, people don't need to repent and keep the commandments of God to be saved. That is the damnable heresy of Calvinism. It is the perfect recipe for eternal cursing and everlasting damnation, would without end.
Those Christ died for He obtained for them deliverance from the penalty of sin. You know that doesnt apply to all without exception dont you ?
 

brightfame52

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LOL and you think scripture disses scripture

John 3:14–18 —ESV
“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.¶ “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.”

John 3:36 —ESV
“Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

John 5:24 —ESV
“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”

You must be confounding scripture with your theology
No I think you dis scripture
 

brightfame52

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The only thing posted was scripture

So you imagine scripture disses scripture

That would account for all the unbiblical ideas present in your theology
Yes i believe you dis scripture. You quote scripture sure, but that has nothing to do with what you dis ! Those Christ obtained eternal redemption for are delivered from the penalty of sin,which is death eternal, and all have not been delivered from death, sorry
 

TomFL

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Yes i believe you dis scripture. You quote scripture sure, but that has nothing to do with what you dis ! Those Christ obtained eternal redemption for are delivered from the penalty of sin,which is death eternal, and all have not been delivered from death, sorry
Unbelievers hostile to God are not in Christ and are not born again. They are not or released from wrath justified

You are just unbiblical

and BTW you don't quote scripture
 

brightfame52

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Unbelievers hostile to God are not in Christ and are not born again. They are not or released from wrath justified

You are just unbiblical

and BTW you don't quote scripture
Those Christ obtained eternal redemption for have been delivered from the penalty of sin, doesnt matter about if they have believed yet or not.
 

TomFL

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Those Christ obtained eternal redemption for have been delivered from the penalty of sin, doesnt matter about if they have believed yet or not.
Unbelievers do not have eternal redemption

John 3:36 —BBE
“He who has faith in the Son has eternal life; but he who has not faith in the Son will not see life; God’s wrath is resting on him.”
 

Theo1689

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Only on condition of faith and repentance.

Is that why Eph. 2:9 says "not by works"?
Is that why 2 Tim. 1:9 says "not by works"?
Is that why Tit. 3:5 says "not by works"?
Is that why Rom 4:1-5 says "not by works"?
Is that why Rom. 11:5-6 says "no more of works"?

Is that why Rom. 12:3, Phil. 1:29, and 2 Pet. 1:1 says that God gives us faith?
Is that why Acts 11:18 and 2 Tim. 2:25 says that GOD gives us repentance?


We also have this scripture:

2 Corinthians 5:

14 For the love of Christ constraineth
us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

So who were the "all" for when Christ died?

I guess you missed he context of "us".


In other words, people don't need to repent and keep the commandments of God to be saved. That is the damnable heresy of Calvinism.

Of course, Calvinism does NOT teach any such nonsense.

If you disagree, please quote Calvin, Gill, Spurgeon, Owen, Edwards, White, Sproul, Piper, McArthur, or ANY Calvinist who has taught "people don't need to repent and keep the commandments of God to be saved".

What we teach is that those who are saved WILL repent.
It's not a "requirement", it's a FRUIT.
But it still exists.

It is the perfect recipe for eternal cursing and everlasting damnation, would without end.

Mormonism and it's salvation "after all we can do" is certainly the perfect recipe for that.
 

Theo1689

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1 Tim. 2:3–6 —KJV
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”

Maybe you're not interpreting that passage correctly.
Could that be possible?
 
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