Christ obtained Eternal Redemption for us !

TomFL

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Lol Paul wasn't the only Sheep Christ died for. That's nothing new.
Nor were the sheep the only ones Christ died for

1 Tim. 2:1–6 —KJV
Ҧ I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
 

brightfame52

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Nor were the sheep the only ones Christ died for

1 Tim. 2:1–6 —KJV
Ҧ I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
So it's as simple as this, Christ died for all His Sheep. Whoever they may be, wherever they be and whenever they be!
 

TomFL

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So it's as simple as this, Christ died for all His Sheep. Whoever they may be, wherever they be and whenever they be!
The bible says he died for all

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

even those who perish or are destroyed

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

1 Cor. 8:11 —KJV
“And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”
 

brightfame52

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The bible says he died for all

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

even those who perish or are destroyed

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

1 Cor. 8:11 —KJV
“And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”
He did die for all, the Sheep!
 

TomFL

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He did die for all, the Sheep!
Yes and even more

The bible says he died for all

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

even those who perish or are destroyed

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

1 Cor. 8:11 —KJV
“And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Yes and even more

The bible says he died for all

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

even those who perish or are destroyed

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

1 Cor. 8:11 —KJV
“And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”
Nope He specifically said He died for the Sheep! Not the goats!
 

TomFL

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Nope He specifically said He died for the Sheep! Not the goats!
He died for all even those who perish

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

even those who perish or are destroyed

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

1 Cor. 8:11 —KJV
“And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
He died for all even those who perish

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

even those who perish or are destroyed

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

1 Cor. 8:11 —KJV
“And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”
No sir none of the Sheep He died for shall perish. You really showing your true colors. A statement like that means you don't believe the Death of Christ is savingly efficacious in and of itself. Ain't that right?
 

TomFL

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No sir none of the Sheep He died for shall perish. You really showing your true colors. A statement like that means you don't believe the Death of Christ is savingly efficacious in and of itself. Ain't that right?
He died for more than sheep

He died for all even those who perish

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

even those who perish or are destroyed

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

1 Cor. 8:11 —KJV
“And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”

try heeding scripture for a change
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
He died for more than sheep

He died for all even those who perish

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

even those who perish or are destroyed

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

1 Cor. 8:11 —KJV
“And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”

try heeding scripture for a change
No He didnt die for more than the Sheep, thats presumption ! And for the ones He died for, He obtained for them eternal redemption !
 

TomFL

Well-known member
No He didnt die for more than the Sheep, thats presumption ! And for the ones He died for, He obtained for them eternal redemption !
No thats scripture

He died for more than sheep

He died for all even those who perish

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

even those who perish or are destroyed

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

1 Cor. 8:11 —KJV
“And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”

you should try heeding it instead of denying it
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
No thats scripture

He died for more than sheep

He died for all even those who perish

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

even those who perish or are destroyed

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

1 Cor. 8:11 —KJV
“And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”

you should try heeding it instead of denying it
Its not scripture, its presumption. See you have Jesus saying specifically who He died to redeem, the Sheep Jn 10. To go beyond that is presumptuous ! Scripture reveals that He came to save/redeem a very particular people from sin Matt 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

His People here is the same as to say His Sheep, they're interchangeable

Ps 78 52



but made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock.

Ps 79 13


So we thy people and sheep of thy pasture will give thee thanks for ever: we will shew forth thy praise to all generations.

Ps 95 7

For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,

Ps 100 3

Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

Jer 50 6

My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Also notice Gods people are described as lost SHEEP !

So again, for anyone to include yourself, go beyond what Jesus said, and the Angel specified in Matt 1:21 is to be presumptuous!
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Its not scripture, its presumption. See you have Jesus saying specifically who He died to redeem, the Sheep Jn 10. To go beyond that is presumptuous ! Scripture reveals that He came to save/redeem a very particular people from sin Matt 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

His People here is the same as to say His Sheep, they're interchangeable

Ps 78 52



but made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock.

Ps 79 13


So we thy people and sheep of thy pasture will give thee thanks for ever: we will shew forth thy praise to all generations.

Ps 95 7

For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,

Ps 100 3

Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

Jer 50 6

My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Also notice Gods people are described as lost SHEEP !

So again, for anyone to include yourself, go beyond what Jesus said, and the Angel specified in Matt 1:21 is to be presumptuous!


Believing scripture is not presumption
He died for more than sheep

He died for all even those who perish

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

even those who perish or are destroyed

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

1 Cor. 8:11 —KJV
“And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”

you should try heeding it instead of denying it

but not believing it and believing your own theology in its place is
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Believing scripture is not presumption
He died for more than sheep

He died for all even those who perish

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

even those who perish or are destroyed

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

1 Cor. 8:11 —KJV
“And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”

you should try heeding it instead of denying it

but not believing it and believing your own theology in its place is
Believing a lie is. Christ came to save His People/Sheep and thats it, beyond that is presumption !
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Believing a lie is. Christ came to save His People/Sheep and thats it, beyond that is presumption !
Scripture is not a lie

He died for all even those who perish

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

even those who perish or are destroyed

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

1 Cor. 8:11 —KJV
“And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”

you should try heeding it instead of denying it
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Scripture is not a lie

He died for all even those who perish

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

even those who perish or are destroyed

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

1 Cor. 8:11 —KJV
“And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”

you should try heeding it instead of denying it
Scripture doesnt lie, however what you say and what scripture states are different. Christ died for His People, the Sheep Jn 10
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Scripture doesnt lie, however what you say and what scripture states are different. Christ died for His People, the Sheep Jn 10
Indeed

so why don't you believe it

He died for all even those who perish

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

even those who perish or are destroyed

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

1 Cor. 8:11 —KJV
“And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”

you should try heeding it instead of denying it

again the word alone does not appear in John 10
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Indeed

so why don't you believe it

He died for all even those who perish

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900)
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

1 Timothy 2:5–6 (KJV 1900)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

even those who perish or are destroyed

Rom. 14:15 —KJV
“But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.”

1 Cor. 8:11 —KJV
“And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?”

you should try heeding it instead of denying it

again the word alone does not appear in John 10
Jn 10 is scripture. Thats specifically who Christ died for, obtained eternal redemption for ! Any others is speculation / presumption. Does your beliefs rest on speculation ? Thats not Faith in the Promises of God. Who is Jesus promised to save here Matt 1:21
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
toms blasphemy

He died for all even those who perish

No scripture says that. also the Sheep who Christ died for shall never perish Jn 10:27-28,15

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
 
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