American Gothic
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my view is that Mosaic law was only for those of Israel under the Mosaic covenant
and God is not holding transgressions of Mosaic law against anyone today as it is inoperative today
if we disagree, I'm ok with that
Christian inconsistancy about the Law
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and God is not holding transgressions of Mosaic law against anyone today as it is inoperative today
if we disagree, I'm ok with that
American Gothic
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I don't post just for you or the other few people I engage with -
maybe others on CARM will see something, be interested, research some things for themselves, come to their own conclusions,
etc.
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Iconoclast
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The 10 commandments are still in effect.
No one is under the to .nowWe are not under Moses, but rather under Christ;
3 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
No one is under the to .nowWe are not under Moses, but rather under Christ;
3 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
American Gothic
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the 10 Commandments delivered at Sinai are part of the Mosaic law
not the Adamic law, not the Noahide law, not the law of Messiah
but certain same things might be commanded in other laws (as part of other covenants) as well
not the Adamic law, not the Noahide law, not the law of Messiah
but certain same things might be commanded in other laws (as part of other covenants) as well
Open Heart
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The Mixed Multitude was adopted as part of the Jewish people. They wer converts.
Open Heart
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Why only 10? there are 613 commands that God gave Israel through Moses.
False. They were brought into the children of Israel which isn't referring to just one tribe.
American Gothic
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is there Jewish tradition or Rabbinic teaching anywhere that Moses received some of the Law by means of angels?
(not directly from the hand of God or whatever, like the 10 at Sinai)
anyone?
Iconoclast
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The 10 are for all men everywhere.
In Deuteronomy all 10 were expanded and explained by Moses to Israel.
All law old or new Covenant is based on the 10.
American Gothic
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a different covenant would have a different priesthood and also a different law
Gentiles have never been required to keep the Sabbath, which is one of the 10
Noah was not required to keep the Sabbath under Noahide covenant and law
however, he was not supposed to murder which was also later commanded in the Mosaic law
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Iconoclast
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We keep the one day in 7 under Christ.The Lords day.
We have a great High Priest after the order of Melchisdek. Psa110.
Laws were in place before Israel was a nation.
The church now is an expansion of the Holy nation ex19,1pet2
American Gothic
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agree
1. which is not the Sabbath, Christians have a different Rest
2. a different priesthood than the Levitical
3. the Church is a new Creation, not a part of the Jewish nation
Yes, and one spouse at a time. Ultimately, we're married to Christ so we are free to divorce.
Open Heart
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Non-Jews are not required to keep the sabbath.
Open Heart
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Keeping the sabbath is not meant for the whole world.
Deut 5
12 “Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
Your ancestors were never delivered from slavery in Egypt, thus you are exempt.
Open Heart
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Yes, I agree they became part of the Children of Israel. That is what conversion means.
Israel itself is a tribal people. We usually use the word people to describe our group. The subdivision into 12 tribes is interesting but not important. Hebrews=Israelites=Jews Which word is used has more to do with what age in history you are examining than any meaningful distinction.
Open Heart
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You are making points that do not negate anything I have said.
Open Heart
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Paul can claim to be a pharisee all he wants, but what he taught was contrary to Pharisaical teachings. Thus, I don't believe for a moment that he was ever a Pharisee.
It's important enough for Jeremiah, and Ezekiel to point out that God will reunite Israel and Judah when he makes a new covenant with them.
I'm looking at the fact that the Sabbath was created long before there was a Hebrew, or Israelite or the tribe of Judah. The fact that God makes a covenant with his chosen people doesn't negate the fact that one doesn't have to be a Hebrew, Israelite, or a Jew to keep and observe it.
The Sabbath wasn't just made for Jews, but for all human beings. It is for everyone's benefit as are all of God's feast days.