Christian inconsistancy about the Law

Jewjitzu

Jewjitzu

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American Gothic said:
I agree, NT wise it looks like Paul tried to share the gospel with everyone he could,
but he said the message was to Jews first.
Then he would go to the Gentiles, when he wasn't making tents and whatnot.

you'd think Christians would get that
in the NT narrative Jesus did at times engage with some non Jews

your point that he preached to non-Christians is true
but his teaching for Believers is is aimed at Christians
I'd see a difference between two.

My view is that James, John, and Paul were all dealing with different audiences of Christians
possibly tailoring their message accordingly and even maybe at times had differing views on some things.
two Christians, 2 and 1/3 opinions (sic) :)
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Keep in mind what is called Christianity today was not what was practiced back then. The Nazarenes were merely another messianic group no different than others. They didn't believe in Jesus' divinity is the biggest difference which kept them in the ranks of Judaism, not a new religion.

Then when the Jews died out, apostasy set in... but Paul had initiated this already. Hyyam Maccoby is a good reference.
 
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American Gothic

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Jewjitzu said:
Keep in mind what is called Christianity today was not what was practiced back then. The Nazarenes were merely another messianic group no different than others. They didn't believe in Jesus' divinity is the biggest difference which kept them in the ranks of Judaism, not a new religion.
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there's all kinds of Jews as well - they can't all be correct
there are beliefs that should put someone out of the status of Christian believer

People are People so why should it be that we all get along so suckaly...
 
Rachel Redux

Rachel Redux

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Open Heart said:
Egypt doesn't symolize ANYTHING. Egypt was a real civiliazation governed by pharaohs. Let's not get silly about this.

And you know very well that SDA's are one denomination among a gazillion that disagree with you.
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Egypt does represent sin.
And who gives a rat's patootie if SDAs disagree?
 
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Iconoclast

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3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the Lord, and my work with my God.

5 And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength.

6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

7 Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.

8 Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.

10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

11 And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.
 
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Open Heart said:
nope. As I quoted from Deuteronomy, resting on the sabbath is because God delivered the Jewish people from Egypt. Your ancestors were not delivered, thus it makes no sense for you to keep the sabbath.
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read the article, or remain ignorant, no skin off my nose, many remain ignorant
 
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shnarkle

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American Gothic said:
"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day"
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It's odd that people quote this thinking that it somehow proves the dietary laws and Sabbath observance are done away with when one need only note that the word used is "regard" which should never be conflated or confused with "disregard". The Greek word literally means "participation; taking part".

Furthermore, looking at this in context, Paul sums up by noting that it is the body of Christ that is to judge rather than "anyone". Given that the elders of the church have already noted that one should not eat anything that has been strangled, or with blood, "anyone" can't be referring to legalistic members of the church or Judaizers because we know that they wouldn't have a problem with that. Thus, "anyone" must be referring to those who would have a problem with the new converts no longer eating anything that has been strangled, or improperly drained of blood, etc.
 
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shnarkle

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American Gothic said:
depends what covenant they are under and what law they are covenantaly obligated to keep
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Covenants don't change the fact that murder, theft, fornication, etc. are immoral and wrong. All of God's laws are for our benefit. If they can be ignored, then they are capricious. If one can be ignored, they can all be ignored.
 
Rachel Redux

Rachel Redux

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shnarkle said:
It's odd that people quote this thinking that it somehow proves the dietary laws and Sabbath observance are done away with when one need only note that the word used is "regard" which should never be conflated or confused with "disregard". The Greek word literally means "participation; taking part".

Furthermore, looking at this in context, Paul sums up by noting that it is the body of Christ that is to judge rather than "anyone". Given that the elders of the church have already noted that one should not eat anything that has been strangled, or with blood, "anyone" can't be referring to legalistic members of the church or Judaizers because we know that they wouldn't have a problem with that. Thus, "anyone" must be referring to those who would have a problem with the new converts no longer eating anything that has been strangled, or improperly drained of blood, etc.
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You're exactly right. This scripture actually means the exact opposite of what most people think it means.
 
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American Gothic

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shnarkle said:
Covenants don't change the fact that murder, theft, fornication, etc. are immoral and wrong. All of God's laws are for our benefit. If they can be ignored, then they are capricious. If one can be ignored, they can all be ignored.
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Christians should know that in their Heart, not because some Law commands say so -
The schoolmaster is for those who need it.

Sins are not being held against -
I've already been fully accepted by my God, and I can approach Him with confidence.
Those new or weak in the Faith are just that.
 
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