Christian safe-haven in British Columbia

ZacharyB

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Yet, if a safe haven were to be available to Christians during the tribulation, such would get mentioned in the word.
As it is not and as we do not know which parts of the globe will lose drinkable water, grazing etc. we would not know where to build such a place.
This is very much like the doomsday prophets making predictions of His return when no one knows.
When do you expect it?
BTW, as you do not believe in eternal security, how do you know the people that join your safe haven will not betray you as they fall away.
News Flash: We are to trust the Lord in all things, and follow His leading!
Ref. e.g. John 10:27-28, John17:3
 

Manfred

Well-known member
News Flash: We are to trust the Lord in all things, and follow His leading!
Ref. e.g. John 10:27-28, John17:3
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.

Are you saying OSAS is true?

This is what you posted
"They preferred the so-called OSAS eternal security verses.
But, praise God, they can repent and return to Him!"

You quote verses that state we are eternally secure, and at the same time diss them
 

ZacharyB

New Member
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.

10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
10:28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish,


Dost thou really belong to this group of believers?
Art thou really one of His sheep?
E.G. Jesus "knows" those who have a personal relationship with Him.


FYI, The Lord not only calls my wife and I His children,
but He calls us His friends ... i.e. personally while in prayer.
You might wish to refer to John 15:14 ...
Jesus calls those who obey His comandments His friends.

News Flash
All of these spiritual Truths (e.g. re: habitual sin) should be preached from the pulpits!
They are the difference between life and death.
But, since they are NOT popular, they are NOT preached.
The members' tithes are of the highest priority in many churches today.
 
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ZacharyB

New Member
To learn spiritual Truth from God …
our hearts need to be OPEN to hearing spiritual Truth!
I.E. they must not be CLOSED due to belief in false doctrines.

Who needs to follow God’s promptings to go to one of His safe-havens
when people continue to feel safe in their false doctrines!

On a different subject
Let’s see who is actually righteous in God’s eyes!
Yes, you were declared righteous the second you were born-again,
but your righteousness needs to be maintained (continued)
to God’s satisfaction! ... For example …
It is NOT acceptable to be a habitual sinner (one who does NOT
repent of his ongoing sins and who fails to overcome them).
Such people cannot be part of the kingdom of God ...
1 Corinthians 6:9-20, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:3-6.
And don't forget my current favorite > Revelation 21:8,
which says habitual sinners get thrown into the lake of fire!
(Are you so deceived that you believe Christians can get
away with what non-believers CANNOT get away with?)

Romans 6:16-19, NKJV
ODEDIENCE >>> RIGHTEOUSNESS >>> HOLINESS
“Do you not know that
to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
(slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?
... so now present your members as
slaves of righteousness for holiness.”

1 John 3:7, NKJV

PRACTICING RIGHTEOUSNESS >>> RIGHTEOUSNESS
“Little children, let no one deceive you.
He who practices righteousness is righteous,
just as He is righteous.”
 

Manfred

Well-known member
To learn spiritual Truth from God …
our hearts need to be OPEN to hearing spiritual Truth!
I.E. they must not be CLOSED due to belief in false doctrines.

Who needs to follow God’s promptings to go to one of His safe-havens
when people continue to feel safe in their false doctrines!

On a different subject
Let’s see who is actually righteous in God’s eyes!
Yes, you were declared righteous the second you were born-again,
but your righteousness needs to be maintained (continued)
to God’s satisfaction! ... For example …
It is NOT acceptable to be a habitual sinner (one who does NOT
repent of his ongoing sins and who fails to overcome them).
Such people cannot be part of the kingdom of God ...
1 Corinthians 6:9-20, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:3-6.
And don't forget my current favorite > Revelation 21:8,
which says habitual sinners get thrown into the lake of fire!
(Are you so deceived that you believe Christians can get
away with what non-believers CANNOT get away with?)

Romans 6:16-19, NKJV
ODEDIENCE >>> RIGHTEOUSNESS >>> HOLINESS
“Do you not know that
to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
(slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?
... so now present your members as
slaves of righteousness for holiness.”

1 John 3:7, NKJV

PRACTICING RIGHTEOUSNESS >>> RIGHTEOUSNESS
“Little children, let no one deceive you.
He who practices righteousness is righteous,
just as He is righteous.”
Your righteousness needs to be continued you say.

This is an obvious false teaching.

The righteousness of Christ imputed makes you righteous. The righteousness of Christ keeps you righteous.

You want to override the righteousness of Christ with your own.
 

ZacharyB

New Member
Your righteousness needs to be continued you say.
This is an obvious false teaching.
The righteousness of Christ imputed makes you righteous. The righteousness of Christ keeps you righteous.
You want to override the righteousness of Christ with your own.

Your righteousness needs to be continued the NT says!
Thou art just another confused believer who refuses to believe
and rejects the 2 passages I provided (i.e. 2 passages among many).
Please, get out of those false doctrines ... and believe what the NT states.
 

Manfred

Well-known member
Your righteousness needs to be continued the NT says!
Thou art just another confused believer who refuses to believe
and rejects the 2 passages I provided (i.e. 2 passages among many).
Please, get out of those false doctrines ... and believe what the NT states.
Ultimately you want to say those scriptures teach that you are saved by your own righteousness and not by the righteousness of Christ.

The whole of Galatians easily refute you and your heretical teachings.

You want to build a safe haven cult.
 

ZacharyB

New Member
The whole of Galatians easily refute you and your heretical teachings.

Galatians 5:19-21 is a warning to Christians who are still living in sin,
i.e. those who are habitually sinning (i.e. w/o repentance)!
They are NOT part of the kingdom of God, it says.

All baby believers who are slurping milk need to grow up and learn
how to chew on the meat of God's word ... before it's too late!
 

Manfred

Well-known member
Galatians 5:19-21 is a warning to Christians who are still living in sin,
i.e. those who are habitually sinning (i.e. w/o repentance)!
They are NOT part of the kingdom of God, it says.

All baby believers who are slurping milk need to grow up and learn
how to chew on the meat of God's word ... before it's too late!
And that is supposed to show your maturity?

The whole of Galatians refutes your heresy.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

You who place people back under laws, you are not lead by the Spirit but you are lead astray.
Your insults are meaningless to me.
 
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