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you are basically asking why they plotted to make eden fall - same question.Why would the fallen angels install this earth as a prison?
you are basically asking why they plotted to make eden fall - same question.Why would the fallen angels install this earth as a prison?
Why would the fallen angels install this earth as a prison?
Eden is restored to every person who sits in a comfortable pew once a week and never goes out having the mind of God to do the things of Love as His disposition lead us to.Modern science was part of a long play by the fallen angels / archons.
It describes this foreign matrix / land (their corrupt earth) and presents solutions to it.
Everything about it is wheelchairs, glasses, etc. Because man is a
disabled mess thanks to adam. We now have a body that dies
and with bones that break, gravity, and bad weather.
Eden will be restored and does not need science, as she is not disabled.
Everything living is not perfect and will turn to dust, that is the way God designed it. However what is perfect is Love and either one lives that perfection of God or one goes about condemning God creation because flesh is not perfect and is going to die.Science is needed here because everything breaks, ages, and dies.
It comes in with 'promises' to resolve these problems. How convenient that after
the fallen angels plotted for eden to fall, made her fall, then they, with their science,
come in with assistance...
Science is experimentation based on curiosity and has nothing at all to do with the disposition of one who is of God and has His same disposition of Love.This place is a horror compared to the previous situation. Science is not an advance.
It is a way to cope in a very harsh reality.
Science has been here sense the dawingin of man. Man has a natural ability to seek the unknown."Science" was installed in proto by plato and all its concepts already existed in proto.
And that is exactly what I see from you, your confusion over eden, and the cosmos, and apes population of this planet means noting at all to the God who is Love.There is nothing new and the term 'modern' as a concept and all the experts
pretending to decipher God but really trying to confuse souls, are a joke.
No you are way behind ancients. Noting has changed in mans interests, history really does repeat itself right up to this day, man is the same. Some are rollers some are followers and some are slaves to a master. It always has been that way.We are way behind the ancients....
Only for you whose outlook is extremely bitter and darkness of the prison that you live in.After the fallen angels 'installed' this earth and this 'solar system' - that does evolve
and that does rotate around earth - as our prison, it's all been downhill from there.
Yes our denominations are jealous of one another for sure.to start,
- deeply jealous of eden
Only you yourself can hold you hostage against God. That is your decision not the worlds decision.- holding us hostage against God
True sadly you live in a dark and gloomy prison that you say Gods creation is so ugly.- to acquire and hold onto the birthright
Man was made in God image.....through deception Eve fell and Adam followed.How convenient that after
the fallen angels plotted for eden to fall, made her fall, then they, with their science,
come in with assistance...
actually esau has created all the infighting by his corrupt scroll and it is he about to lose everything ...Yes our denominations are jealous of one another for sure.
Only you yourself can hold you hostage against God. That is your decision not the worlds decision.
i don't think you understand, probably because you adhere to esau's corrupt kjv, and follow adam as your 'god' that:True sadly you live in a dark and gloomy prison that you say Gods creation is so ugly.
Eden is restored to every person who sits in a comfortable pew once a week and never goes out having the mind of God to do the things of Love as His disposition lead us to.
And thanks to Adam who gained Gods knowledge and became like Him to know this difference, I to was kicked out of that comfortable eden full of pews and hit the streets simply love my neighbor and myself.
I counseled many murders, thieves, rapists, and the alike going into prisons, nit because God demanded that of me but because I have His same disposition of Love that I may help a brother no matter who or what he is or has done.
Creeds that you hold onto as the doctrine you read is your own. Those who are anointed of God as Jesus was anointed of God go about doing what comes natural with Love. And this is exactly what happened in Adam when he was kicked out of that eden to till that same ground that Jesus did when he was kicked out of that comfortable eden called tabernacle. See Gen 3:22 and Matt 3;16, it is the very same event.
Everything living is not perfect and will turn to dust, that is the way God designed it.
However what is perfect is Love and either one lives that perfection of God or one goes about condemning God creation because flesh is not perfect and is going to die.
You blame Adam for your own iniquity to have Gods same perfection to have His same mind which simply is Love. Love is perfect and never changes, everything else changes.
whatever.Science is experimentation based on curiosity and has nothing at all to do with the disposition of one who is of God and has His same disposition of Love.
ever since man fell yes he needed a wheelchair and glasses.Science has been here sense the dawingin of man. Man has a natural ability to seek the unknown.
because your adam god is terrified if anyone return to eden.And that is exactly what I see from you, your confusion over eden, and the cosmos, and apes population of this planet means noting at all to the God who is Love.
No you are way behind ancients. Noting has changed in mans interests, history really does repeat itself right up to this day, man is the same. Some are rollers some are followers and some are slaves to a master. It always has been that way.
Only for you whose outlook is extremely bitter and darkness of the prison that you live in.
your world of false light is about to end . God is ending it.We who are not of this world, as you are of it, it is light, Love, a beautiful place and Im so thankful I have been able to be a part of it.
Nope' The One who is a Spirit and that Spirit is Love for God is Love, noting more or anything less than. The One who came to Adam and made him like Himself, Gen 3:22, the One who came to Abraham and made him like Himself, the One who came to Moses, Jesus in Matt 3:16, 120, and in me is a Spirit. Same Spirit in all of these.actually esau has created all the infighting by his corrupt scroll and it is he about to lose everything ...
when you say God there, you mean your little g god adam.
Me either, I bow to the same one Adam did and became like Him as well. Gen 3:22. This is what God commands of you as well if you are to be the God who is Love.i will never bow to adam. he is filth.
I know why you think I do not understand for sure, You cant have from God that what you reject and do not have.i don't think you understand, probably because you adhere to esau's corrupt kjv, and follow adam as your 'god' that:
Then perhaps you can produce the man?- adam did not die
No He obeyed God gains Gods knowledge and became like Him. Jesus did the very same thing in Matt 3:16.- adam disobeyed God and betrayed all God's souls
No that is only your interpretations from lack in knowing the same God who made Adam as Himself as He commands of you as well. But because you reject His ways in favor of your own ways and the laws you have developed to control your god instead.- when you write 'God's creation' in your response to me, you are actually referring to adam who is your God who works for the fallen angels
He is to you whop has not received from God the same as he did to become like Him yourself.- adam is the (evil) 'god' of this world and prince of the air.
What you really mean is the ways of God has already ended for you. You have no intent in obeying and receieving from God that what Adam did and Jesus did. You cant know this difference without it.- adam's powers are about to end.
Adam didnt put forth anything except sons of God just as he was son of God and like the Father of it. He became like Him as you are supposed to as well.- adam put to work his type sons of ammon, on this earth they are esau, creating the corrupt scroll (kjv, septuagint etc) which you follow. and indeed esau has a 'different father.'
Perhaps it isn't I who doesnt know what eden is !!!you have no clue what eden is as your god is adam.
OH NO' not a poor thing, but the gift of God to become like Him to know the difference from a secured eden where people dont have to be accountable to anything except the laws fo the creeds that you follow.poor thing
Heck no. Om in this world but I am not of it, I am of Gods anointing, Christ in me. Something that you really should consider of yourself from God Himself as Adam received and so did Jesus in Matt 3:16. Same Spirit.yes you like your fleshbody and this carnal earth.
And Jesus was accused of the very same for the very same reason wasn't he?adam joined the satanic realm and is a monster.
No' Adam was my brother, we have the same Father who is God.that's what adam did... adam is your God
Adam didnt create anything, Adam obeyed God and became like Him as he was supposed to.this is adams creation. and yea adam and his
gnostic gaia earth are condemned.
He already has destroyed the ways off this earth in us all who has receieved Gods gift to be like Him instead of this earth. The need are quite different, from material needs from spiritual needs. Something obviously you have no knowledge of too know this difference. See Gen 3;22. You just havent become like Him to know this difference from this earth and His Spirit idd all.per prophets God will depose adam and destroy this earth.
Im projecting? LOL that is a bit hypocritical dont ya think?you are projecting.
I love this response. I get it all the time when people know they are wrong and refuse to admit it.whatever.
Every sense I fell and that old man died, this new man is of God and Love. I was like you before that old man fell.ever since man fell yes he needed a wheelchair and glasses.
When did you talk to Adam in this?because your adam god is terrified if anyone return to eden.
Only top those whop has not met the Father.it will be his demise.
Past.Soon.
Gnostic know that Gods Spirit is in man and teach it.for the pagan gnostic adam followers.
I'll continue to enjoy my freedom in the Father, you can continue to enjoy the prison that you hold yourself in. full of angry apes.you continue to enjoy your prison. i won't stop you!
Gods light is always false to those who never has met Him . Jesus had a terrible time with doing the same of our God as well.your world of false light is about to end . God is ending it.
Hello to Adam who became like God to know the difference as you are supposed to yourself. Heck even Jesus became like Him as well. Matt 3:16, so do we all who receive the same from the God that Adam became like, Abraham became like, Moses became like, Jesus became like 120 became like and so did I, and you nor anyone else can know this difference without the Father to open in you in which you despise of Him and call His creation a planet of the apes.goodbye to adam and his ugly esau souls.
The greeks hardly did any experimental science. The scientific method was basically invented by the Christian Francis Bacon.Aside from the times when the science was done, no, the way science has been done has been remarkably consistent throughout history.No, we are discussing who invented modern science. The Greeks may have invented science, but not modern science. You do know there is a difference right?
Yes, but the problem is that if there is no God then science is not possible.Nevertheless there is one key difference I should emphasize is that science as we do it today is essentially atheistic in that no divine revelation is appealed to as a source of information. It is of course nonsense to credit Christianity for that!
Only Christianity provides a rational basis for science. And all these great scientists of the past were inspired to DO science because of their Christian faith, so if Christianity never existed then most likely modern science would never have existed.Even if it's true that Christians came up with modern science it's still irrelevant to Christianity getting that credit. I'm not disputing the contributions Christians have made to science but the contributions the Christian faith has made to science.Yes, only Christians came up with an ongoing, self correcting, systematic study of nature. Which is what modern science is.
Nobel prizes didnt come into existence until long after modern science was invented.By the way, 20 percent of Nobel laureates have been Jewish. The way you judge credit for science, I'd say that Judaism should be credited for modern science!
I dont deny that the greeks made great contributions to philosophy and math but it is doubtful they would have developed modern science for the reasons I have already provided.Actually, the science practiced by many Christians has its roots in Greek philosophy and mathematics as well as Greek science. So rather than credit Christianity for what those Christians have done, we should credit the thinking of the Hellenistic Greeks.I said a few really smart Greeks did, but not Greek society as a whole. That is why they were not able to set up the foundations of modern science.
What produces day and night? The rotation of the earth and motions of the universe, ie natural laws. He is saying that it is basically impossible for Him to break His covenant with maintaining those laws such as the rotation of the earth which creates day and night.Here's what Jeremiah 33:20 says:Sorry, I had the wrong verse. It should be 33:20. You said you wanted to know where the Bible teaches the existence of natural laws.
I don't get it; what does this passage have to do with natural law?Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season...
That all the major branches of modern science were founded by Christians.OK, what does that prove?Almost all the scientists mentioned in this article were Christians. https://www.britannica.com/science/history-of-science/Science-and-the-Industrial-Revolution
See above why.Yes, some Christians like Copernicus, Kepler and Galileo made some important discoveries about the planets. But your fallacy is to then claim that Christianity made that possible.Yes, but not to discover what those celestial bodies are and where they are and how they move. And test their predictions about these things. Only Christians did this.
No, the hebrew term translated as firmament can also mean expanse or open space. Check Strongs Concordance. As far as stars falling from the sky, those are generally only referred to in apocalyptic books where they represent nations. Sometimes they are referring to meteors. Many verses are written from the perspective of an ancient hebrew, so to them meteors looked like stars. Just like even today weathermen say that the sun rises and sets at certain times.Actually, the cosmology in both Old and New Testaments is full of errors not the least of which is the "firmament," a mythical ocean in the sky not to mention that stars can fall from the sky.
I think you brought it up.Then don't cite anything that is irrelevant.Really? You must be omniscient! But you are right it is primarily religion so it is not part of scientific inquiry so it is irrelevant to our discussion.
Plenty of great scientists have been angry toward lawbreakers. How does that affect what kind of science he does?It is relevant. Any kind of angry, abusive language or activity has no part in scientific thinking and discovery.He was talking about religious principles not science or nature, so it is irrelevant to our discussion.
The greeks hardly did any experimental science. The scientific method was basically invented by the Christian Francis Bacon.
Some people credit Galileo. Others credit Aristotle. Take your pick!The greeks hardly did any experimental science. The scientific method was basically invented by the Christian Francis Bacon.
Why? I don't see the logical necessity of a God to do science.Yes, but the problem is that if there is no God then science is not possible.
Oh sure--it informed us that the mustard seed is the smallest seed and that disease is caused by demons not to mention that hand washing is unnecessary. What wonderful contributions to science Christianity has made.Only Christianity provides a rational basis for science.
Did Christianity inspire Einstein to derive the General Theory of Relativity? Did Freud found modern psychology for Jesus?And all these great scientists of the past were inspired to DO science because of their Christian faith, so if Christianity never existed then most likely modern science would never have existed.
Then it looks like "modern science" has gotten away from Christians to be taken over by Jews and atheists and other people from virtually all cultures of the world.Nobel prizes didnt come into existence until long after modern science was invented.
We'll just need to disagree on your claim here. I'm not sure if I can accurately come up with an alternate history.I dont deny that the greeks made great contributions to philosophy and math but it is doubtful they would have developed modern science for the reasons I have already provided.
Let me check my Bible to see! Genesis 1 just says God named the light "day" and the dark he called "night."What produces day and night?
The Bible never mentions a rotating earth.The rotation of the earth...
Again, I don't know where the Bible says any of this. You're reading all that into the text....and motions of the universe, ie natural laws. He is saying that it is basically impossible for Him to break His covenant with maintaining those laws such as the rotation of the earth which creates day and night.
Would that include relativity and quantum mechanics?That all the major branches of modern science were founded by Christians.
Here's Genesis 1:7:No, the hebrew term translated as firmament can also mean expanse or open space. Check Strongs Concordance.
Waters above the firmament? That's sounds like a sea in the sky to me!And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
LOL--that's even more ridiculous. How can nations fall from the sky?As far as stars falling from the sky, those are generally only referred to in apocalyptic books where they represent nations.
So the Bible writers didn't know the difference between meteors and stars. You call that science?Sometimes they are referring to meteors. Many verses are written from the perspective of an ancient hebrew, so to them meteors looked like stars. Just like even today weathermen say that the sun rises and sets at certain times.
They're obviously not doing good science when they insult and threaten anybody with an opposing viewpoint.Plenty of great scientists have been angry toward lawbreakers. How does that affect what kind of science he does?
Oh sure--it informed us that the mustard seed is the smallest seed
and that disease is caused by demons
not to mention that hand washing is unnecessary.
What wonderful contributions to science Christianity has made.
Then it looks like "modern science" has gotten away from Christians to be taken over by Jews and atheists and other people from virtually all cultures of the world.
So the Bible writers didn't know the difference between meteors and stars. You call that science?
They're obviously not doing good science when they insult and threaten anybody with an opposing viewpoint.
Yes. So how could modern science be based on that kind of ignorance?It likely was the smallest of all the seeds of which they were aware.
I learned that disease is caused by bad genes, bacteria, and viruses when I was in elementary school.Prove they aren't.
The Bible writers evidently were completely unaware of those actual causes of disease.And even so, that belief does not deny viruses and bacteria as material causes.
Matthew 15:11 tells us:The Bible is full of instances of people washing both their hands and their feet, and the NT is full of examples of foot-washing, which makes sense for a society who walked on dirt either barefoot or on sandals all day long.
If you believed this, then you wouldn't be alive to tell people that modern science is based on Christianity.Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Sadly Jesus never explained that, so we don't know if you're right.And if you're referring to passages such as Matt. 15:2, the issue was not about the washing of hands per se, but the REASON for washing their hands. The objection was to the ritual, not the cleanliness.
I approve of true Christianity. Neither primitive superstition, nor misinformation, nor ignorance are its doctrines.I have a difficult time trying to figure out whether you're completely clueless about the Bible, or intentionally being obnoxious. Given your palpable animosity towards Christianity, I'm guess it's the latter.
I don't know whatr you're talking about.Why are you conflating the NT-era with the hundreds of years of Christian culture which followed it? Is it intentional?
I asked a question: So the Bible writers didn't know the difference between meteors and stars. You call that science? If you expect me to answer your questions, then you darned well better answer mine. Did you ever read that we are to treat others the way we want to be treated? Hint: It's in the Bible.So all scientists are astronomers?
That's kind of like the woke left thinking that all "scientists" (organic chemists, theoretical physicists, microbiologists, etc.) are experts in "climatology".
Yes. So how could modern science be based on that kind of ignorance?
I learned that disease is caused by bad genes, bacteria, and viruses when I was in elementary school.
The Bible writers evidently were completely unaware of those actual causes of disease.
If you believed this, then you wouldn't be alive to tell people that modern science is based on Christianity.
Sadly Jesus never explained that, so we don't know if you're right.
I approve of true Christianity. Neither primitive superstition, nor misinformation, nor ignorance are its doctrines.
I don't know whatr you're talking about.
I asked a question: So the Bible writers didn't know the difference between meteors and stars.
You call that science?
If you expect me to answer your questions, then you darned well better answer mine.
Did you ever read that we are to treat others the way we want to be treated? Hint: It's in the Bible.
LOL--Your comments are so mean it's funny.Are you truly that ignorant?
Yes, the Bible isn't a science book, but any good book, science book or not, should not contain scientific errors.The Bible is not a "science textbook" on "What is the smallest seed in the world?"
You'll need to explain what you mean by this.So why are you ripping passages out of context?
Probably not. I first learned both science and the Bible including the nature of disease at a Christian school.Probably a secular school.
You'll need to document how demons can also cause illness.This is a half-truth which is not a full truth.
Like I said--mean!Well, "duh!"
It did? I didn't know that.I guess you're so ignorant you're aware that Christ's incarnation occurred prior to the life of Louis Pasteur.
Mean again!Well, that's an ignorant opinion.
I suppose you're right here.The Bible was NEVER intended as a tome of exhaustive knowledge.
If what I said is false, then primitive superstition, misinformation, and ignorance are doctrines of Christianity. That's not my brand of Christianity.False.
I've lost count of the mean comments.Shocker.
You're ignorant. I would have never guessed.
I can certainly understand why you refuse to answer questions.Nope.
You are clearly not interested in truth, but instead interested in misrepresenting others.
I'm not going to allow you to misrepresent me.
Not really. Even if you don't answer my questions, it's possible to misrepresent what you say.You are free to refuse to answer my questions, if you are too afraid to do so.
But I will NOT allow you to misrepresent me.
Do you understand?
I don't get it. Such anger if genuine needs medical attention.Thank you for being so condescending and insulting.
LOL--Your comments are so mean it's funny.
Yes, the Bible isn't a science book, but any good book, science book or not, should not contain scientific errors.
You'll need to document how demons can also cause illness.
Like I said--mean!
It did? I didn't know that.
Mean again!
I suppose you're right here.
If what I said is false, then primitive superstition, misinformation, and ignorance are doctrines of Christianity.
I've lost count of the mean comments.
I can certainly understand why you refuse to answer questions.
Not really. Even if you don't answer my questions, it's possible to misrepresent what you say.
I don't get it. Such anger if genuine needs medical attention.
Yes, the Bible isn't a science book, but any good book, science book or not, should not contain scientific errors.