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Whatsisface

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As I said, I'm not the one having a problem with the bible.
You don't have a problem with the Bible because you twist the plain meaning of it's words advocating slavery, because you have a problem with slavery but don't want a problem with the Bible.
Well, I have a novel way of testing this.
Contact them, and tell them what you just told me, and let's see their response.
then you post the body of their response, including your comments to them--- the whole thing.
I'm confident that you'll provide a rather interesting communication.
Huh? Testing what?
and your views don't assume you are correct?
Seems to me that if you're going to play hypocrite here, you'd better do a better job of it.
I wouldn't ask loaded questions as you do.
 

SteveB

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You don't have a problem with the Bible because you twist the plain meaning of it's words advocating slavery, because you have a problem with slavery but don't want a problem with the Bible.

Huh? Testing what?

I wouldn't ask loaded questions as you do.
further evidence you don't actually engage in conversation.
Well, there's a simple way to solve this.
I'm blocking you.
You've just succeeded in being my first ignore.
Congratulations!
 

Temujin

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Magna Carta has nothing to do with the end of feudalism. It was a bunch of greedy barons preventing a weak king from reducing their power. It had no effect whatever on ordinary people. You stated that the KJV, which referred to bondsmen as possessions was merely reflecting the language of the time. It wasn't. Bondsmen stopped being possessions when the Black Death killed so many people that those that were left were able to sell their services to the highest bidder, becoming employees rather than possessions. The Magna Carta is not relevant.
Rather curious that if what you say is true, the King would've included those inconvenient parts.
King John included what he was told to include. He revoked it as soon as he could.

Looking at the founders of the abolition group I linked to above.....
I notice that the founders were all christians.
Why is it if the bible is so pro slavery, that followers of Jesus would fight against slavery, to free people?
Perhaps you should be learning that, instead of promoting this hate you so love to foment.



In fact, looking at this list on abolition.e2bn.org, it looks like all of the abolitionists were Jesus followers.
As were all those who opposed them and fought to retain slavery. Being a Christian doesn't automatically make you a bad person, especially in an era when everyone professed to be Christian in public life.
 

Whatsisface

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further evidence you don't actually engage in conversation.
Well, there's a simple way to solve this.
I'm blocking you.
You've just succeeded in being my first ignore.
Congratulations!
As if you are so important that it matters to me. I won't have to deal with your tiresome lack of a reasonable approach to conversation.
 

SteveB

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Magna Carta has nothing to do with the end of feudalism. It was a bunch of greedy barons preventing a weak king from reducing their power. It had no effect whatever on ordinary people. You stated that the KJV, which referred to bondsmen as possessions was merely reflecting the language of the time. It wasn't. Bondsmen stopped being possessions when the Black Death killed so many people that those that were left were able to sell their services to the highest bidder, becoming employees rather than possessions. The Magna Carta is not relevant.
King John included what he was told to include. He revoked it as soon as he could.


As were all those who opposed them and fought to retain slavery. Being a Christian doesn't automatically make you a bad person, especially in an era when everyone professed to be Christian in public life.
You don't grasp the nature of the problem here....
All humanity are bad people.
We're sinners, waiting for death, and judgment.
We who acknowledge our sin, and who come to Jesus, seeking forgiveness, and freedom from judgment, don't do so because we think we're good, deserving, or better than anyone else.
We do so because we see ourselves as God sees us.
We come to him, because he promises to free us from what is responsible for the judgment in the first place.
We come to him, because he's promising and demonstrated he will free us from our sin. He's promising and has given to us a down payment for eternal life.

So..... you can rant about this whole issue all you want. You're just demonstrating your finite knowledge, like a spoiled child throwing a temper tantrum, against their parents, because they don't know what is taking place, but have convinced themselves they do.
 

Temujin

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You don't grasp the nature of the problem here....
All humanity are bad people.
We're sinners, waiting for death, and judgment.
We who acknowledge our sin, and who come to Jesus, seeking forgiveness, and freedom from judgment, don't do so because we think we're good, deserving, or better than anyone else.
We do so because we see ourselves as God sees us.
We come to him, because he promises to free us from what is responsible for the judgment in the first place.
We come to him, because he's promising and demonstrated he will free us from our sin. He's promising and has given to us a down payment for eternal life.

So..... you can rant about this whole issue all you want. You're just demonstrating your finite knowledge, like a spoiled child throwing a temper tantrum, against their parents, because they don't know what is taking place, but have convinced themselves they do.
Wrong. You speak for yourself. Humanity are just people, some good, some bad, most a mixture of both. If you want to wallow in self-loathing, be my guest, but the people I know and love are good to be around.
 

SteveB

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Wrong. You speak for yourself. Humanity are just people, some good, some bad, most a mixture of both. If you want to wallow in self-loathing, be my guest, but the people I know and love are good to be around.
Nope.
Since you appear to not be in the know, the bible is the most widely read book in history.

It's clear for everyone who actually reads the bible that it's talking about everyone on earth.
So, unless you're not a human being, or are in some other reality, it applies to you too.
 

Electric Skeptic

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Nope.
Since you appear to not be in the know, the bible is the most widely read book in history.

It's clear for everyone who actually reads the bible that it's talking about everyone on earth.
So, unless you're not a human being, or are in some other reality, it applies to you too.
It claims to apply to everybody. Just like every other religious book.
 

SteveB

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It claims to apply to everybody. Just like every other religious book.
Ironic....
I don't see any other religious texts in this list.
In fact, I see only one religious text in the list of top ten.
I then followed a link over to the best of this year, and no other religious texts were on those lists either.

Where's your list supporting your belief?
 

Whatsisface

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You don't grasp the nature of the problem here....
All humanity are bad people.
We're sinners, waiting for death, and judgment.
We who acknowledge our sin, and who come to Jesus, seeking forgiveness, and freedom from judgment, don't do so because we think we're good, deserving, or better than anyone else.
We do so because we see ourselves as God sees us.
We come to him, because he promises to free us from what is responsible for the judgment in the first place.
We come to him, because he's promising and demonstrated he will free us from our sin. He's promising and has given to us a down payment for eternal life.

So..... you can rant about this whole issue all you want. You're just demonstrating your finite knowledge, like a spoiled child throwing a temper tantrum, against their parents, because they don't know what is taking place, but have convinced themselves they do.
Christianity sounds very unhealthy.
 

Electric Skeptic

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Ironic....
I don't see any other religious texts in this list.
In fact, I see only one religious text in the list of top ten.
I then followed a link over to the best of this year, and no other religious texts were on those lists either.
What does that hafve to do with anything?
 

SteveB

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What does that hafve to do with anything?
I have absolutely no idea what it "hafve to do with anything."
But considering that you denied that the book is the most widely read book, and then said everyone claims that their books apply to others, I'm pointing out that the bible is the most widely read book, and the list provides no other books which make the claim you've stated.
 

5wize

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I have absolutely no idea what it "hafve to do with anything."
But considering that you denied that the book is the most widely read book, and then said everyone claims that their books apply to others, I'm pointing out that the bible is the most widely read book, and the list provides no other books which make the claim you've stated.
And the biggest online activity is porn.
 

Electric Skeptic

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I have absolutely no idea what it "hafve to do with anything."
But considering that you denied that the book is the most widely read book, and then said everyone claims that their books apply to others, I'm pointing out that the bible is the most widely read book, and the list provides no other books which make the claim you've stated.
Right. So it has nothing to do with anything. I did not deny that the book is the most widely read book - you are wrong. And of course all religious books claim that what they say applies to everyone. Whether that's on your list or not has nothing to do with it.
 
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