Christ's Sacrifice on the Cross

RayneBeau

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Why would some people want, need, choose or have to believe that Jesus Christ is still offering Himself to God His Father, in His "Sacrifice of the Cross"? Why does the Roman Catholic Church preach and teach that Jesus Christ in His Sacrifice of the Cross to His Father, is still being continued now, by way of a staged man-made presentation that is orchestrated and performed each and every day in the Roman Catholic Church.
 
Why would some people want, need, choose or have to believe that Jesus Christ is still offering Himself to God His Father, in His "Sacrifice of the Cross"? Why does the Roman Catholic Church preach and teach that Jesus Christ in His Sacrifice of the Cross to His Father, is still being continued now, by way of a staged man-made presentation that is orchestrated and performed each and every day in the Roman Catholic Church.
There has been one effectual offering for sins; but, the RC's endlessly repeated "bloodless sacrifice" is a blasphemous trampling underfoot of this sacrifice.

Heb. 10:11-18 (A.V.)
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
 
Why would some people want, need, choose or have to believe that Jesus Christ is still offering Himself to God His Father, in His "Sacrifice of the Cross"?
Because that is what their "professional religionists" tell them that is what is happening. For various reasons they do not believe that they are capable of understanding "religious matters", so they trust those who dress and act like they know what they are doing.
Why does the Roman Catholic Church preach and teach that Jesus Christ in His Sacrifice of the Cross to His Father, is still being continued now,
Power. The RCC "Jesus" is still under the control of Rome, powerless and suffering a humiliating death at the hands of Rome and its successors.
by way of a staged man-made presentation that is orchestrated and performed each and every day in the Roman Catholic Church.
In this play, the RCC priest shows his power to call God Almighty down from Heaven. The priest's power extends even to dividing the body from the blood of their god into a wafer and a cup of wine. He breaks the wafer, showing that the RCC god is powerless before the might of Rome. He eats the god's body and drinks the god's life so that he can take on the attributes of the RCC god. (Boy, do they ever!) Then he doles out smaller pieces of the god's body to the congregants, so they, too, may have a piece of their god. (But not as much as the priest.)

Obviously, the RCC and its adherents deny the symbolism involved: the adherents because they are not interested in such things, or because they are stuck on Rome; and the hierarchy lest they lose followers and income and power.

I dare say that not all RC priests are aware of this. They serve the purpose of the model cities that the USSR used to have to show the dupes how wonderful socialism was.

--Rich
"Esse quam videri"
 
Why would some people want, need, choose or have to believe that Jesus Christ is still offering Himself to God His Father, in His "Sacrifice of the Cross"? Why does the Roman Catholic Church preach and teach that Jesus Christ in His Sacrifice of the Cross to His Father, is still being continued now, by way of a staged man-made presentation that is orchestrated and performed each and every day in the Roman Catholic Church.
Because they believe that every time they go to mass their venial sins are forgiven. Of course this is false as proven by their priests who have gone out after mass and committed sins.
 
Because they believe that every time they go to mass their venial sins are forgiven. Of course this is false as proven by their priests who have gone out after mass and committed sins.
As well as the changeable teachings of the RCC. When we were kids, any type of sin meant that you could not partake of communion. No exceptions. You sin? You sit. Period.

--Rich
 
Why would some people want, need, choose or have to believe that Jesus Christ is still offering Himself to God His Father, in His "Sacrifice of the Cross"? Why does the Roman Catholic Church preach and teach that Jesus Christ in His Sacrifice of the Cross to His Father, is still being continued now, by way of a staged man-made presentation that is orchestrated and performed each and every day in the Roman Catholic Church.
The Catechism explains for you...

CCC1085 ... His Paschal mystery is a real event that occurred in our history, but it is unique: all other historical events happen once, and then they pass away, swallowed up in the past. The Paschal mystery of Christ, by contrast, cannot remain only in the past, because by his death he destroyed death, and all that Christ is - all that he did and suffered for all men - participates in the divine eternity, and so transcends all times while being made present in them all. The event of the Cross and Resurrection abides and draws everything toward life.
 
The Catechism explains for you...

CCC1085 ... His Paschal mystery is a real event that occurred in our history, but it is unique: all other historical events happen once, and then they pass away, swallowed up in the past. The Paschal mystery of Christ, by contrast, cannot remain only in the past, because by his death he destroyed death, and all that Christ is - all that he did and suffered for all men - participates in the divine eternity, and so transcends all times while being made present in them all. The event of the Cross and Resurrection abides and draws everything toward life.
What part of once does RCC need to imply 'cannot remain in the past'?

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
 
What part of once does RCC need to imply 'cannot remain in the past'?

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Not unlike Passover and the way that painting the doorpost with the blood of the Lamb as a remembrance of Gods action for the Jews fleeing Egypt.

Exodus 12 13 The blood on the doorposts will be a sign to mark the houses in which you live. When I see the blood, I will pass over you and will not harm you when I punish the Egyptians. You must celebrate this day as a religious festival to remind you of what I, the LORD, have done. Celebrate it for all time to come.”

It is a gift from God to celebrate communion with Him and all Israelites. The philosophical word to explain the phenomenon is anamnesis. The Judaic word is zikkaron.
 
The Catechism explains for you...

CCC1085 ... His Paschal mystery is a real event that occurred in our history, but it is unique: all other historical events happen once, and then they pass away, swallowed up in the past. The Paschal mystery of Christ, by contrast, cannot remain only in the past, because by his death he destroyed death, and all that Christ is - all that he did and suffered for all men - participates in the divine eternity, and so transcends all times while being made present in them all. The event of the Cross and Resurrection abides and draws everything toward life.
So Rcs have Jesus suffering every day of the year. He suffers 24/7 for them and them alone. It is rubbish and shows the RC God in a cruel light.
 
Not unlike Passover and the way that painting the doorpost with the blood of the Lamb as a remembrance of Gods action for the Jews fleeing Egypt.

Exodus 12 13 The blood on the doorposts will be a sign to mark the houses in which you live. When I see the blood, I will pass over you and will not harm you when I punish the Egyptians. You must celebrate this day as a religious festival to remind you of what I, the LORD, have done. Celebrate it for all time to come.”

It is a gift from God to celebrate communion with Him and all Israelites. The philosophical word to explain the phenomenon is anamnesis. The Judaic word is zikkaron.
RCs love to use Jewish terms without understanding them at all.

Zikkaron is a memorial, remembrance not a redoing. I mean for your analogy to be accurate Jesus would have to be sacrificed and then you would need to wipe His blood over you. And nowhere do the Jewish people when celebrating passover go out with hissop and wipe blood on the doorposts.

Ex 12:22

Take a bunch of hyssop, dip it into the blood in the basin and put some of the blood on the top and on both sides of the doorframe. None of you shall go out of the door of your house until morning.

It is a time where they remember what God HAS done.
Communion is where we remember what God HAS done.
 
RCs love to use Jewish terms without understanding them at all.

Zikkaron is a memorial, remembrance not a redoing. I mean for your analogy to be accurate Jesus would have to be sacrificed and then you would need to wipe His blood over you. And nowhere do the Jewish people when celebrating passover go out with hissop and wipe blood on the doorposts.

Ex 12:22

Take a bunch of hyssop, dip it into the blood in the basin and put some of the blood on the top and on both sides of the doorframe. None of you shall go out of the door of your house until morning.

It is a time where they remember what God HAS done.
Communion is where we remember what God HAS done.

Did Jesus do this with his disciples at the Last Supper?
 
Not unlike Passover and the way that painting the doorpost with the blood of the Lamb as a remembrance of Gods action for the Jews fleeing Egypt....
Was the blood of the Lamb on the doorpost truly "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained."202 "This presence is called 'real'?
 
Was the blood of the Lamb on the doorpost truly "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained."202 "This presence is called 'real'?
At the Passover meal, the real presence is with their Israelite ancestors saved by God. When God saved their ancestors, He saved every Jew today. Rabbi Steven Sirbu explains "observing Passover is an inherently vicarious experience." It observes the phenomenon of 'sacred time'.
 
St Ephrem the Syrian (306AD to 373AD) writes here...

“Ordinary time is linear and each point in time knows a ‘before’ and an ‘after’. Sacred time, on the other hand, knows no ‘before’ and ‘after’, only the ‘eternal now’: what is important for sacred time is its content, and not a particular place in the sequence of linear time.”
 
Not unlike Passover and the way that painting the doorpost with the blood of the Lamb as a remembrance of Gods action for the Jews fleeing Egypt....
Was the blood of the Lamb on the doorpost truly "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained."202 "This presence is called 'real'?
At the Passover meal, the real presence is with their Israelite ancestors saved by God. When God saved their ancestors, He saved every Jew today. Rabbi Steven Sirbu explains "observing Passover is an inherently vicarious experience." It observes the phenomenon of 'sacred time'.
That does not answer your previous post:
Was the blood of the Lamb on the doorpost truly "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained."202 "This presence is called 'real'?
 
Was the blood of the Lamb on the doorpost truly "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained."202 "This presence is called 'real'?

That does not answer your previous post:
Was the blood of the Lamb on the doorpost truly "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained."202 "This presence is called 'real'?
Well of course, Jesus wasn't even born until 1300 years after Exodus and the subsequent Passover tradition so no, the blood on the doorposts is not His. The correlation is with continued recognition of the phenomenon of 'real presence' and sacred time.
 
Why would some people want, need, choose or have to believe that Jesus Christ is still offering Himself to God His Father, in His "Sacrifice of the Cross"?
Becasue He is. Offering is what it means for God the Son to be God the Son. Revelation 5:6: "Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth." Who is the lamb?

What happened at calvary-----is-------an earthly projection of a heavenly reality. God the Son is taking divine reality----that happens from eternity-----and translating that reality into something we can comprehend and understand from our earthly perspective. What makes the cross unique is NOT the offering itself---but in the MANNER of offering. When Christ offered Himself on the cross-----he did so---in his earthly flesh---stripped of heavenly glory. Christ did so as one of us--which meant--He experienced suffering, pain, and death. In so doing--God entered the full consequences of Sin----and in bringing God to those consequences, turned them on their head. Now, they become the means of life, glory, and perfection. Now they become redemptive.

The Resurrection is the cross. This is the whole problem with Protestants---they do not recognize the resurrection as one and the same cross. They think of it as disconnected from the cross---and substantively different from the cross. The resurrection is what the cross--that is--the offering of Christ looks like when perfected--glorified. The resurrection allows Christ to offer Himself-----------without pain, suffering, and death. The resurrection is what the cross looks like-----joined to heavenly realities--that is--when earthly flesh is transformed and perfected.

Thus, the offering itself is eternal. The MANNER of offering on the cross UNIQUE. That happened once, for all. It is not repeatable. Christ suffering and died ONCE for the sins of the world. Now, Christ offers himself day and night unto the Father and lives to make intercession for us---without suffering, pain, and death. "Once I was dead, but now I live, forever and ever." The Mass is the presentation of this offering--that is--we encounter the offering---in its glorified and perfected form. Christ offers Himself in the Mass--but does not suffer, experience pain, or die. The Mass is a presentation of one and the same offering---but the MANNER in which Christ offers Himself is what is different. Christ, in the Mass, offers Himself in a non-bloody, non-fleshy way.
Why does the Roman Catholic Church preach and teach that Jesus Christ in His Sacrifice of the Cross to His Father, is still being continued now,
Becasue it didn't begin on the cross and did not end on the cross.
by way of a staged man-made presentation that is orchestrated and performed each and every day in the Roman Catholic Church.
The Mass is neither "staged," "man-made," or "orchestrated." The Mass is our divine worship of God the Father with, though, and in Christ. In the Mass, we offer ourselves together with Christ--to God the Father as the perfect work of the Son.
 
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