Church of England says "Our Father" is problematic

[cjab]

Re Archbishop of York Rev Stephen Cottrell​

[This is the one who confirmed in a BBC interview that he believes that sexual immorality is not sinful: "we are now in a position where [practising homosexuals] can be welcomed fully into the life of the Church, on their terms" in response to "is gay sex a sin?"]

The Archbishop of York has said some people struggle with the traditional Biblical phrase 'our Father'.​

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The Most Rev Stephen Cottrell called the term – used for centuries at the start of The Lord's Prayer – 'problematic' for victims of abusive parents.​

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He also said it was an issue for anyone who suffers in a male-dominated society during a speech to the Church of England's governing body yesterday.​

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[link with women bishops]

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The Rev Christina Rees C.B.E. (Commander of the British Empire) [the CofE's Resident Crone], a former Synod member who led the campaign for women bishops, said the Archbishop 'has put his finger on an issue that's a really live issue for Christians and has been for many years'.​

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She added: 'But I think the issues have come into sharp focus more with clergy abuse issues. Because sometimes the abuse victims have been abused by their birth fathers and gone on to be abused by their fathers in God – the local priest – so there are multiple layers why the term 'Father' is really difficult for people in the church.'​

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[Doubtless she'll be campaigning for a "Queen of Heaven" next.]​

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[source]

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[Catherineaurelia]

Re Archbishop of York Rev Stephen Cottrell​

[This is the one who confirmed in a BBC interview that he believes that sexual immorality is not sinful: "we are now in a position where [practising homosexuals] can be welcomed fully into the life of the Church, on their terms" in response to "is gay sex a sin?"]

The Archbishop of York has said some people struggle with the traditional Biblical phrase 'our Father'.​

​

The Most Rev Stephen Cottrell called the term – used for centuries at the start of The Lord's Prayer – 'problematic' for victims of abusive parents.​

​

He also said it was an issue for anyone who suffers in a male-dominated society during a speech to the Church of England's governing body yesterday.​

​

[link with women bishops]

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The Rev Christina Rees C.B.E. (Commander of the British Empire) [the CofE's Resident Crone], a former Synod member who led the campaign for women bishops, said the Archbishop 'has put his finger on an issue that's a really live issue for Christians and has been for many years'.​

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She added: 'But I think the issues have come into sharp focus more with clergy abuse issues. Because sometimes the abuse victims have been abused by their birth fathers and gone on to be abused by their fathers in God – the local priest – so there are multiple layers why the term 'Father' is really difficult for people in the church.'​

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[Doubtless she'll be campaigning for a "Queen of Heaven" next.]​

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[source]

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This is why I'm part of the Continuing Anglican Church Movement. The Episcopal Church in this country is projected to totally die within 20 to 30 years. Continuing Anglicans are growing slowly, but are growing.

 

[cjab]

This is why I'm part of the Continuing Anglican Church Movement. The Episcopal Church in this country is projected to totally die within 20 to 30 years. Continuing Anglicans are growing slowly, but are growing.

Churches should be left to die, and even euthanized, when their hierarchies become corrupt. But I agree with you that if before death, separation from a corrupt hierarchy can occur, then it should occur.

 

[BMS]

It should be pointed out that since Gene Robinson caused impaired communion, the lgbtqi+ contingent ignored the teaching of the church and the processes and procedures of the church. So it isnt unreasonable (on their grounds ) to ignore them.
At CofE synod we have those with same sex attraction who support it feeling marginalise and those with same sex attraction who seek to follow God's word who feel marginalised.

 

[BMS]

..https://canonjjohn.com/2023/09/01/a-lament-for-the-church-of-england/

 

[cjab]

Number CofE attendees drop fastest in dioceses where there are ultra pro gay bishops.

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"The diocese which saw the biggest drop in the number of churchgoers between 1987 and 2019 was Durham, with the figure falling from 26,800 to 10,900 - a decline of 59.3 per cent. This was closely followed by the Diocese of Liverpool whose churchgoers fell by 55.7 per cent, from 35,000 to 15,500 over the same period."​

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Both the dioceses of Durham (Paul Butler) and Liverpool (Paul Bayes) have had notoriously pro gay bishops in recent years. Bishop Bayes called for same sex blessings. Paul Butler lambasted the Catholic Church for scrapping plans to take a softer stance on homosexuality.

I guess genuine Christians find these insipid secular servants of antichrist a religious turn-off.

 

[BMS]

Of course. For churches that are more in the world the Kingdom becomes irrelevant

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Number CofE attendees drop fastest in dioceses where there are ultra pro gay bishops.

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"The diocese which saw the biggest drop in the number of churchgoers between 1987 and 2019 was Durham, with the figure falling from 26,800 to 10,900 - a decline of 59.3 per cent. This was closely followed by the Diocese of Liverpool whose churchgoers fell by 55.7 per cent, from 35,000 to 15,500 over the same period."​

[source]

Both the dioceses of Durham (Paul Butler) and Liverpool (Paul Bayes) have had notoriously pro gay bishops in recent years. Bishop Bayes called for same sex blessings. Paul Butler lambasted the Catholic Church for scrapping plans to take a softer stance on homosexuality.

I guess genuine Christians find these insipid secular servants of antichrist a religious turn-off.

So when churches shrink, they pander to be more "inclusive"which accelerates their decline. Wider road denominations.

 

[BMS]

So when churches shrink, they pander to be more "inclusive"which accelerates their decline. Wider road denominations.

Exactly

 

[cjab]

Also supporting this decline of CofE congregations is that the Anglican church has been busy stuffing its vicarages with liberal effeminates. It also reflects the move to women's ordination.

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Most Church of England priests back gay marriage, survey finds​

Major shift in attitudes in England since 2014 survey, when only 39% approved of same-sex weddings

Alexandra Topping
Wed 30 Aug 2023 13.04 BSTLast modified on Thu 31 Aug 2023 02.31 BST

Most Church of England priests want the C of E to allow same-sex weddings and to drop its opposition to premarital and gay sex, according to a survey.

In a major shift in attitudes over the past decade, a survey of priests in England conducted by the Times found that more than half supported a change in law to allow clergy to conduct the marriage of gay couples, with 53.4% in favour compared with 36.5% against.

The last time Anglican priests in England were asked, in 2014, shortly after the legalisation of same-sex civil marriage, 51% said same-sex marriage was “wrong”, compared with 39% who approved.

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[BMS]

One of the CofE lgbt activist priests wants Christians persecuted.

Couldnt make it up