It is only you who claims it is invisible. Real believers know each other and see each other.
Circular Reasoning
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It is only you who claims it is invisible. Real believers know each other and see each other.
when you ask this real believers where is their church, hopefully can they point to only one true church?
How often do you need to told? They are everywhere where they are hearing the truth.
several times a week it seems.
The Council of Trent taught that “none of those things which precede justification, whether faith or works, merit the grace of justification; for if it is by grace, it is not now by works; otherwise, as the Apostle [Paul] says, grace is no more grace” (Decree on Justification 8, citing Rom. 11:6).
A new day
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The rcc is FALSE to the core church. Its false because of what it teaches and what rc's themselves parrot back. Rc's on here have led us to self worship, institution worship, mary worship, scapular worship, purgatory worship, dead people worship, relic worship. All of these are the core of rc beliefs. What a person believes in their heart, usually comes out of their mouths and actions.
All the above things are against what God has said. But rc's who are posting here, have swallowed a lie from the rcc..... hook, line and sinker.
What I see is that RCs are taught a false gospel and wouldn't know a real believer if they fell over one. Real believers point you to Jesus and not a bad tree, you just point to a bad tree.
only one good tree not many trees, correct?
and your fallible interpretation of the bible is your authority to say so, correct?
Your institution is the bad tree it has bad fruit. Right. It certainly does not meet the description of the good tree in scriptures. Far from it. It only passes one scriptural test and that is the one for the bad tree. It is definitely not the good tree.
More correct that the false interpretations that come from the bad tree, correct?
bluedog1us
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Read Eph 2:8-9 again the bible is clear that all graces come from God alone! But it also says FAITH, and THAT not of yourselves. The word THAT refers you back to the LAST noun mentioned, and that last noun is FAITH. Faith is ALSO a gift! For if faith comes from you then it is a WORK. Which those verses say, NOT by WORKS! If for one second you think those works will help you for salvation, then your faith is based on filty rags instead of what Jesus did on the cross! And how many piles of filthy rags does it take to please God and merit salvation?
bluedog1us
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Scripture says ALL born again believers IZZZZZ the church. Not some organization! Self claims by the rcc amount to zilch. We keep hearing "the rcc says", and they do say a lot. But not much truth. So their lies are NOT believed because they CONTRADICT scripture. Ya'll can throw all the little hissy fits you want but that does NOT change facts of God's inspired words!
leonard03782
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Are ya blue in the face yet? NO? Keep going. Has the cow jumped over da moon yet? NO? keep going. Has the sun risen inthe west and set in the east yet? NO? Keep goin. As long as we can keep talkin', they can keep divertin'
Heads up! The day is fast approachin when they will be able to share this nutter butter suckin turkey of a world all to themselves and their pagan friends while we will be enjoying the first day of the rest eternity face to face with Jesus.
Truly, their absolute faith in the RCC has locked them into regurgitating whatever the RCC says. Truth and reality do not matter to them – only what their church says is true. Example: Trent, in its anti-Reformation rant, declared that people are not saved only by faith, but they never stated what more was needed. So today the RCs cry, "we're not saved by faith alone!" but go dead silent when asked what more is needed, because the RCC has never defined what more is needed to be saved. Had the RCC done so, we would be inundated with what the RCC believes is necessary in addition to faith.
--Rich
"Esse quam videri"
The Council of Trent is not my god. what it says is not what I believe or follow.
RayneBeau
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Haven't you figured it out yet ram, that all the believers in this forum, are called to be rooted in Christ Jesus, and established in the faith (Col. 2: 7); our presuppositions are the precepts and doctrines of Christ the Lord, not the futile traditions of men, and the "church" that men built.
bluedog1us
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They (rcc) say one thing in one place, and totally contradict themselves in others. The rcc has lied so much that even though written down, they STILL can't keep them straight. Plus they have justification and sanctification backwards, to add even more confusion.
Canon 24 of trent:
Canon 24: “If anyone saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema.”
nothing that precedes the grace of god will save us. even faith and good works are preceded by the grace of god. without the grace of god one cannot have faith or do good works. when we are justified, it is because of the free gift of god and not because of our merit.
Romans 11: 6 And if it is due to grace, then it is not due to observance of the law; if it were, grace would be no grace at all.