to prove it....give me the name of your church/religious organization and with the internet's help, i can tell you who founded it.to prove itThe Rcc is a lying institution proof it is not founded by God.
to prove it....give me the name of your church/religious organization and with the internet's help, i can tell you who founded it.to prove itThe Rcc is a lying institution proof it is not founded by God.
yes, evangelization is knowing, sharing, and living your faith with others.I responded to what u posted. God leads a person to share in different ways.
i may not be that qualified to teach you about the catholic faith.Really, then why did you point me to a rc priest?
one has to believe and trust his body(church)
2THESS 2:You point to an institution. No where in Scripture does it even hint that in order to believe God or trust God in what He tells us is to first bow down to and bend our will to any institution. NO where does Scripture tell us to trust any institution for salvation and eternal life. NO institution can do that. NONE, NADA, ZIP, ZILCH. That is idolatry. Scripture tells us explicitly to worship God alone.
A person is NOT trusting God, if their faith is in an institution. The gospel message is the mighty power of God to save us. NOT the rcc.
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
The above says, Jesus is Lord... NOT the rcc. JESUS.
You preach that people should bow the knee to your institution, but that is in and of itself idolatry. You have done nothing in this conversation but spew faith and trust in your institution as if it were god.
My faith and trust is in Jesus alone. I don't need to go through your institution to know who the creator and Savior is. Neither do I need it to receive salvation. For I can go directly to Jesus about it, and ask JESUS directly to forgive me and give me eternal life. And HE will WITHOUT your institution being involved at all.
the body of christ is no ordinary institution. it is a divine institution established by jesus christ himself. it is a work of god, the bride of christ, whose one-flesh union with her spouse was prepared for by the prophets and announced by John the Baptist (john3: 29).You point to an institution. No where in Scripture does it even hint that in order to believe God or trust God in what He tells us is to first bow down to and bend our will to any institution. NO where does Scripture tell us to trust any institution for salvation and eternal life. NO institution can do that. NONE, NADA, ZIP, ZILCH. That is idolatry. Scripture tells us explicitly to worship God alone.
A person is NOT trusting God, if their faith is in an institution. The gospel message is the mighty power of God to save us. NOT the rcc.
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
The above says, Jesus is Lord... NOT the rcc. JESUS.
You preach that people should bow the knee to your institution, but that is in and of itself idolatry. You have done nothing in this conversation but spew faith and trust in your institution as if it were god.
My faith and trust is in Jesus alone. I don't need to go through your institution to know who the creator and Savior is. Neither do I need it to receive salvation. For I can go directly to Jesus about it, and ask JESUS directly to forgive me and give me eternal life. And HE will WITHOUT your institution being involved at all.
the bad tree is not a mark of the church. the marks in the bible are, the church is one, holy, catholic/universal, and apostolic.Your instition is NOT founded by God and never was. It fails every single test, except one, it looks nothing like His church. The only test your institution passes with flying colours is the bad tree test.
it is not an institution. It is all believers, His family, His church. who taught about the body of Christ? what does scripture teach about it?the body of christ is no ordinary institution. it is a divine institution established by jesus christ himself. it is a work of god, the bride of christ, whose one-flesh union with her spouse was prepared for by the prophets and announced by John the Baptist (john3: 29).
if you believe the bible, why can't you believe in the body/bride of christ?
the scripture says it is one faith, one lord, and one baptism.it is not an institution. It is all believers, His family, His church. who taught about the body of Christ? what does scripture teach about it?
No one is denying that Jesus has a bdy. But that body is not your institution. If it loved Jesus it would follow Him, it would teach the truth, it would be moral. It is none of these things. The latest example in this country is that in what state alone it abused co vid financial help and over claimed over 57 million dollars. I started a thread on the topic which rcs avoided like the plague. Lol I think Jesus could get an rc divorce/annulment if it was your institution. We constantly explain why your institution is NOT His church.i have explained in this forum that to believe and trust in jesus(head), one has to believe and trust his body(church). this is the complete package and we cannot love jesus christ without loving his body, the church is the bride and jesus is the groom (eph5: 15-32)
This is the whole Christ, head and body, one formed from many . . . whether the head or members speak, it is Christ who speaks. He speaks in his role as the head (ex persona capitis) and in his role as body (ex persona corporis). What does this mean? “The two will become one flesh. This is a great mystery, and I am applying it to Christ and the Church.” And the Lord himself says in the Gospel: “So they are no longer two, but one flesh.” They are, in fact, two different persons, yet they are one in the conjugal union, . . . as head, he calls himself the bridegroom, as body, he calls himself “bride” (CCC 796).
mica said:
it is not an institution. It is all believers, His family, His church. who taught about the body of Christ? what does scripture teach about it?
you didn't answer my questions.the scripture says it is one faith, one lord, and one baptism.
how can all believers in different faiths with different interpretation of baptism be the body of christ?
No you cannot, becauSe I don't believe a denomination is His body. Also, you cannot name who founded your institution.to prove it....give me the name of your church/religious organization and with the internet's help, i can tell you who founded it.to prove it
No your institution it is not a divine institution it is no different to secular institutions .the body of christ is no ordinary institution. it is a divine institution established by jesus christ himself. it is a work of god, the bride of christ, whose one-flesh union with her spouse was prepared for by the prophets and announced by John the Baptist (john3: 29).
if you believe the bible, why can't you believe in the body/bride of christ?
Yes but your institution has all the marks of the bad tree. Yep your institution is not holy, not one, not apostolic.the bad tree is not a mark of the church. the marks in the bible are, the church is one, holy, catholic/universal, and apostolic.
Those who are saved can understand how.the scripture says it is one faith, one lord, and one baptism.
how can all believers in different faiths with different interpretation of baptism be the body of christ?
The adversary offered Eve "learning" and we all know the rest of the story.We have -- same with 'It is finished' -- some people don't want to learn anything [not saying you]
to prove it....give me the name of your church/religious organization and with the internet's help, i can tell you who founded it.to prove it
ramcam said:i may not be that qualified to teach you about the catholic faith.
it is easy to say that the catholic church is not founded by god. but, can you back this up with historical evidence? by giving me the name of your religious group, i can prove that it is just founded by man.There is a a major problem with this picture, you're allowed to name a founder of another denomination, but not allowed to share the biblical gospel message with a stranger on the street. Makes me wonder if your just playing games or you truly don't know the gospel message yourself.
the only instutution that believes in the complete package, jesus and his church and that it is impossible to love jesus christ without loving his bride, the church.From all the posts from rc's on here I know plenty about your institution. And my impression of your institution comes from the posts by rc's themselves, is that I don't want anything to do with it. When we ask questions we are led to mary, dead saints, an institution, relics, or scapulars, purgatory, treasury of merit, etc....
how can one falsely understand what is explicit in the bible? it is not understanding but false reasoning.Those who are saved can understand how.
it is easy to say that the catholic church is not founded by god. but, can you back this up with historical evidence?