No.Is the slogan "My Body, My Choice" claiming that the embryo/fetus is at least part of her body (like a leg)?
Correct: it is the claim that a woman should have absolute sovereignty over her body. The fetus may or may not be a person, who cares. If the fetus is in the woman's body and she does not want it there--as far as you are concerned, she should have the absolute right to hire someone to surgically murder it (woops! Excuse me. Let me put this euphemistically, that is, as abortion supporters would put it: "It is her absolute right to have a medical procedure done by a qualified MD whereby the doctor performs a surgical procedure called an abortion whereby he or her 'terminates' the pregnancy.") because it is her body. Nothing has the right to be on her body without her consent.
Wrong. Abortion is justified because the woman owns her body and the foetus is not a person. Abortion is not compulsory.Correct: it is the claim that a woman should have absolute sovereignty over her body. The fetus may or may not be a person, who cares. If the fetus is in the woman's body and she does not want it there--as far as you are concerned, she should have the absolute right to hire someone to surgically murder it (woops! Excuse me. Let me put this euphemistically, that is, as abortion supporters would put it: "It is her absolute right to have a medical procedure done by a qualified MD whereby the doctor performs a surgical procedure called an abortion whereby he or her 'terminates' the pregnancy.") because it is her body. Nothing has the right to be on her body without her consent.
But--as far as you are concerned, "choice" and "sovereignty" over one's body is only absolute when it pertains to the right to have someone surgically murder your offspring. When someone says "I do not want to take a vaccine that I feel has not yet been thoroughly tested" or "I do not want a drug in my body" sovereignty over one's body and choice are out the window. Why? Well, you know, there is this real bad virus going around with teeth born waiting to hurt people. We need to force vaccines on unwilling people in order to protect society. That, and, well, like science, and stuff, dude!
In other words: a bad virus going around with teeth born, waiting to harm people--is a good reason to override sovereignty over one's body---------but--------protecting an innocent, unborn child and their right to exist-------is NOT a good reason to override sovereignty over one's body.
Gotta love liberal abortion supporters. If they didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all.
Yes---"ignorance." That is a vintage tactic used by the left to discredit pro-lifers. Just accuse them of being part of the unenlightened masses, too stupid to understand the "nuances" of the debate.Wrong. Abortion is justified because the woman owns her body and the foetus is not a person. Abortion is not compulsory.
Vaccination is not compulsory either. Both private and public organizations are justified in refusing to deal with those who choose not to vaccinate, because their failure to do so endangers other people. I don't care if you want to commit suicide, unless you choose to do so by blowing yourself up with high explosive in a public place.
Vaccination and abortion have nothing to do with each other and your point merely highlights your ignorance about both subjects.
That was the same argument used against blacks.No. The unborn doesn't qualify for protection, not being a person, or a customer of any organisation.
And in the case of blacks, it isn't justified. What's your point? Arguments are justified in some circumstances and not justified in others. You are introducing a strawman.That was the same argument used against blacks.
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thanksCorrect: it is the claim that a woman should have absolute sovereignty over her body. The fetus may or may not be a person, who cares. If the fetus is in the woman's body and she does not want it there--as far as you are concerned, she should have the absolute right to hire someone to surgically murder it (woops! Excuse me. Let me put this euphemistically, that is, as abortion supporters would put it: "It is her absolute right to have a medical procedure done by a qualified MD whereby the doctor performs a surgical procedure called an abortion whereby he or her 'terminates' the pregnancy.") because it is her body. Nothing has the right to be on her body without her consent.
But--as far as you are concerned, "choice" and "sovereignty" over one's body is only absolute when it pertains to the right to have someone surgically murder your offspring. When someone says "I do not want to take a vaccine that I feel has not yet been thoroughly tested" or "I do not want a drug in my body" sovereignty over one's body and choice are out the window. Why? Well, you know, there is this real bad virus going around with teeth born waiting to hurt people. We need to force vaccines on unwilling people in order to protect society. That, and, well, like science, and stuff, dude!
In other words: a bad virus going around with teeth born, waiting to harm people--is a good reason to override sovereignty over one's body---------but--------protecting an innocent, unborn child and their right to exist-------is NOT a good reason to override sovereignty over one's body.
Gotta love liberal abortion supporters. If they didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all.
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That is the same argument used by every nut in history to justify countless atrocities against people they didn't think worthy of rights or protections.That was the same argument used against blacks.
The point---sir----isn't all that difficult to grasp.And in the case of blacks, it isn't justified. What's your point? Arguments are justified in some circumstances and not justified in others. You are introducing a strawman.
Do you actually listen to what those who support abortion rights actually say? I ask because you are grotesquely misrepresenting me and my views.The point---sir----isn't all that difficult to grasp.
The arguments used by abortion supporters (they call those "arguments" do they?) to justify abortion parallel arguments used by every nut in history to justify atrocities against any race, ethnicity, etc, they felt were subhuman and not worthy of rights.
Why can we kidnap a race of people with black skin and make them slaves? They aren't human and therefore aren't worthy of rights.
Why can we kill Jewish people and others in order to fix problems in Germany? Jewish people and others aren't human and therefore aren't worthy of rights.
Why does a woman get to kill her unborn child? An unborn child isn't a child, and therefore human. Thus, unborn children aren't worthy of rights. An unborn child is human--only so long as the mother wills, and or at birth--even even then----there might be wiggle room if the child hasn't taken a breath yet. So maybe at the cutting of the unbiblical cord? Either way---unborn children aren't children--so we get to kill them.
No, as usual you didnt get it. Your response means it isnt her body her choice but rather her body her choice under certain circumstances.edit
I would suggest we are debating your actual views, especially the ones where you people get hurt more by hearing the truth than killing another human being.Do you actually listen to what those who support abortion rights actually say? I ask because you are grotesquely misrepresenting me and my views.
An argument stands or falls on its own merits. Whether it is applicable in completely different circumstances is neither here nor there. You cannot defeat the argument itself, do you pretend that it is something completely different.
The unborn child is human, obviously, and no one with any sense says anything else. That doesn't make it a person. It is for society to choose when a human being becomes a person with rights. Societies in different times and places make different decisions. We, who live in this time and place may agree or disagree with those various judgements. Your views on morality are very different from mine, but that's fine. What counts is not what is moral, but what is legal. If society decides, as a whole, that abortion should be illegal, then so be it. Until then, it is legal, and I hope it remains do, because I personally think that banning the right to abortion is disgustingly immoral.
If you are willing to debate my actual views on when abortion is justified and why, then let's do so. You will need to learn to do without the army of strawmen and falsehoods that you have deployed thus far.
Prove the baby is her bodyWrong. Abortion is justified because the woman owns her body and the foetus is not a person. Abortion is not compulsory.
Vaccination is not compulsory either. Both private and public organisations are justified in refusing to deal with those who choose not to vaccinate, because their failure to do so endangers other people. I don't care if you want to commit suicide, unless you choose to do so by blowing yourself up with high explosive in a public place.
Vaccination and abortion have nothing to do with each other and your point merely highlights your ignorance about both subjects.
I refer you to the answer I gave in post #2 to the question posed by the OP. I know that it might be a trifle long-winded and difficult for you to understand, but I am happy to explain any sections that you have particular difficulties with. Good luck.Prove the baby is her body
Ok, explain 'no' thenI refer you to the answer I gave in post #2 to the question posed by the OP. I know that it might be a trifle long-winded and difficult for you to understand, but I am happy to explain any sections that you have particular difficulties with. Good luck.
In this case it is an answer in the negative to a closed question.Ok, explain 'no' then
Ok so, a 'no' in response to the original question means the embryo/fetus isnt part of the woman's body. So why do you think pro-choice people say that?In this case it is an answer in the negative to a closed question.