Clarifying Question

[Temujin]

Except that you said societies decide, so you do have an opinion.

Do you understand the difference between the phrases "the American Constitution" and "Societies decide"?

except that you believe societies decide, so you do care in that respect

Do you think that America constitutes all societies or that all societies are bound by its Constitution? Do you think that all societies are the same or make the same decisions?

Which is your opinion.
So how can societies decide what is extremist then?

In their own way. I have shown you the UK definition. As an exercise you can find out for yourself whether the Russian, Chinese or North Korean definition of extremism is the same.

You just keep contradicting yourself. you have your own ideas and cant be bothered to think them through

You just have to be contrary. You spent large chunks of yesterday arguing that the foetus is part of a woman's body, just because I said that it wasn't. Do you actually have any beliefs or opinions of your own, or is everything you think determined by other people?

 

[BMS]

Do you understand the difference between the phrases "the American Constitution" and "Societies decide"?

So you must be saying the American Constitution is not what a society has decided even though the USA has kept it? So what do you mean by 'societies' ?

Do you think that America constitutes all societies or that all societies are bound by its Constitution? Do you think that all societies are the same or make the same decisions?

So we need to find out what exactly you mean by societies. Do you mean countries and their laws are not societies, as it would seem, and if so, what do you mean by societies?

In their own way.

Which is what I said isnt it? Different societies have different ideas about what is extremist therefore there wasnt much point in you referring to extremism because its different for different people.

I have shown you the UK definition.

And I have shown you where you don't fully acknowledge it in that British values is to tolerate religious faith and beliefs and you dont.

As an exercise you can find out for yourself whether the Russian, Chinese or North Korean definition of extremism is the same.

That would be an exercise for you to come to terms with because you are the one who said societies decide, now you are implying their decisions might not be correct. I told you different societies have different values.

You just have to be contrary. You spent large chunks of yesterday arguing that the foetus is part of a woman's body, just because I said that it wasn't. Do you actually have any beliefs or opinions of your own, or is everything you think determined by other people?

No I was asking you and tripping you up with your claims. My last response was that since the offspring is attached to the woman inside her, it cant be her body because it is a different attached entity and will eventually separate. I also showed you evidence of pro-choice abortion supporters who use the term "my body my choice" which you denied.

 

[Temujin]

I also showed you evidence of pro-choice abortion supporters who use the term "my body my choice" which you denied.

This is untrue. In fact the opposite is true. Please show evidence of my denying that "My body, my choice " is a common slogan or acknowledge that you are mistaken.

 

[BMS]

This is untrue. In fact the opposite is true. Please show evidence of my denying that "My body, my choice " is a common slogan or acknowledge that you are mistaken.

Ah so when you said no they don't you didn't mean that. So "My body, my choice" IS what pro-choice.

 

[DaGeo]

Is the slogan "My Body, My Choice" claiming that the embryo/fetus is at least part of her body (like a leg)?

The slogan is the motif of a renegade rebel who is at war with God.

No person owns their body because the human body belongs to the God who made it.

The human body is nothing more than a stewardship grant from God.
Everything a person is and has belongs to God because God made everything and owns everything (including the person). Therefore, humans are only humble stewards whose duty is to obey their maker/owner

Any person in rebelling against his owner and claiming ownership of anything belonging to his owner is nothing more than a treasonous thief.

 

[Temujin]

The slogan is the motif of a renegade rebel who is at war with God.

No person owns their body because the human body belongs to the God who made it.

The human body is nothing more than a stewardship grant from God.
Everything a person is and has belongs to God because God made everything and owns everything (including the person). Therefore, humans are only humble stewards whose duty is to obey their maker/owner

Any person in rebelling against his owner and claiming ownership of anything belonging to his owner is nothing more than a treasonous thief.

All of which doesn't even make sense if you believe in God. If you don't believe in God, or at least in your rather peculiar version of Him, then it is just meaningless babbling. Certainly nothing that can be used to set public policy in a so-called secular nation.

 

[mikeT]

Is the slogan "My Body, My Choice" claiming that the embryo/fetus is at least part of her body (like a leg)?

In general no. It's entirely possible that there are a few pro-choicers who argue that the fetus is akin to an appendage. I myself think that'd be a pretty fatuous argument, but I wont claim no one's making it.

In general, though, "my body, my choice" is a claim that other people should not have the right to tell a woman what she cannot do with her own body.

ps. yes, there are clearly exceptions. There are indeed limits on what a person can do with their own body, particularly in the case where it will affect other human beings around them.

 

[BMS]

In general no. It's entirely possible that there are a few pro-choicers who argue that the fetus is akin to an appendage. I myself think that'd be a pretty fatuous argument, but I wont claim no one's making it.

In general, though, "my body, my choice" is a claim that other people should not have the right to tell a woman what she cannot do with her own body.

ps. yes, there are clearly exceptions. There are indeed limits on what a person can do with their own body, particularly in the case where it will affect other human beings around them.

Well there is another human being imvolved and so particularly where it affects other human beings as part of the human reproductive process.

 

[DaGeo]

All of which doesn't even make sense if you believe in God. If you don't believe in God, or at least in your rather peculiar version of Him, then it is just meaningless babbling. Certainly nothing that can be used to set public policy in a so-called secular nation.

My dear Temujin, you’re deeply engulfed in your psychological denial, don’t worry, no one noticed 😂🤣🤣

 

[mikeT]

My dear Temujin, you’re deeply engulfed in your psychological denial, don’t worry, no one noticed

You're the only person to mention it.

Does this make you no one?

 

[BMS]

You're the only person to mention it.

Does this make you no one?

I second DaGeo. DaGeo speaks for many of us. It goes without saying.
Try and focus on the issue than who you like or dont like

 

[BMS]

In general no. It's entirely possible that there are a few pro-choicers who argue that the fetus is akin to an appendage. I myself think that'd be a pretty fatuous argument, but I wont claim no one's making it.

In general, though, "my body, my choice" is a claim that other people should not have the right to tell a woman what she cannot do with her own body.

ps. yes, there are clearly exceptions. There are indeed limits on what a person can do with their own body, particularly in the case where it will affect other human beings around them.

You are getting confused between what a woman has done with her body, and what shr can no longer do. She has had sexual intercourse, which is what she can do with her body, and she is preganant which is what she cant do with her body.
It also affects the human being in the womb. Transwomen dont exist, they are either men or women or intersex, whereas the offspring in the womb is another human being.
You need to grasp reality.

 

[Eightcrackers]

The slogan is the motif of a renegade rebel who is at war with God.

No person owns their body because the human body belongs to the God who made it.

This argument fails if one does not believe in said god.

If you want to convince people, you have to do it on their terms, not yours.

 

[mikeT]

Yeah, I'm bent differently. That's why I come in here and ask questions, to see how bent I am

Speaking only for myself, I admire the way you ask questions before coming to conclusions. Cheers.

 

[DaGeo]

This argument fails if one does not believe in said god.

If you want to convince people, you have to do it on their terms, not yours.

You’re saying l must become a dupe to convince a dupe⁉️ Maybe you have something there—that’s profound🤣

An argument from the vantage point of truth doesn’t fail because a person doesn’t believe in God.

The point of the argument “fails” only if the person doesn’t want to believe in the God they know is real—sorta like you. 😉

 

[DaGeo]

You're the only person to mention it.

Does this make you no one?

Mikey, must I always need to explain the obvious to you⁉️

Let me help you.

First you said, “You’re the only person...”

Then you asked, “Does that makes you no one?”

MikeyT‼️⁉️🤣😇

l flat out refuse to embarrass you further🤣😂‼️

 

[Temujin]

Be grateful that at least he produced an argument, albeit a pathetically flawed one, rather than the usual mix of crayoned punctuation, emojis and failed attempts at irony.

It seems that I was premature. Normal service has been resumed.

 

[BMS]

Speaking only for myself,

If you have put people on ignore, then thats pretty much all you can do

 

[DaGeo]

Is the slogan "My Body, My Choice" claiming that the embryo/fetus is at least part of her body (like a leg)?

The troubled minds of pro-aborts the fetus (little baby) is assumed to part of the woman’s body. But reality doesn’t exist in the mind of a pro-abort

In reality the answer is: No it isn’t, because the woman’s leg shares exactly the same DNA as the rest of her body.
The woman’s leg also doesn’t have a separate DNA or sometimes a different blood type or a separate heart beat or a different brain that the growing child within her has.
All of this is the type of good 0’common sense pro-aborts keep tossing aside—in addition to the loads of other kinds of common sense they’ve tossed out already

 

[DaGeo]

It seems that I was premature. Normal service has been resumed.

Come now Temujin. I can include more colors in my posts—just for you, if that makes you happy