I'm agreeing with you. Firstborn in the greek does not mean first created.
I agree. All good verses.
the biblical use of the word "firstborn" is most interesting. It can mean the first born child in a family (Luke 2:7), but it can also mean "pre-eminence." In Psalm 89:20, 27 it says, "I have found David My servant; with My holy oil I have anointed him...I also shall make him My first-born" (NASB). As you can see, David, who was the last one born in his family was called the firstborn by God. This is a title of preeminence.
Gen. 41:51-52, "And Joseph called the name of the first-born Manasseh: For, said he, God hath made me forget all my toil, and all my fatherï's house. And the name of the second called he Ephraim: For God hath made me fruitful in the land of my affliction" (NASB)
Jer. 31:9, "...for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn (NASB)."
Yes seth did, but after the fall, for a time, people were still in the area near eden and upon the earth He created. After the flood we were somewhere else. One piece of evidence is the change of lifespan, which was reduced dramatically.Do you have evidence of that?
Because according to Genesis 5, Seth had the same attributes as Adam, and he wasn't born until long after access to Eden had been cut off.
Btw, the structure of the soul and body that Rome adopted and that many view as true, is entirely platonic - given by the Greek pagan Plato. Most theology and philosophy today do not understand what I wrote in the previous post.
Ok. May as well get this started.
According to Colossians 1:15, Jesus is the firstborn
Col 1:15 WEB He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
From the nwt
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;
In the Greek the word used for firstborn is prototokos.
My question is
Since when does firstborn mean first created?
Nature is a part of a being. For intance, your nature (according to Scripture) is ADHAM. However, you are not (the being) hA ADHAM.
Thank you Doug.David Reed, in his book Jehovah’s Witnesses Answered Verse by Verse, tells us the Witnesses will point to the term “first-born” of creation as “proof” that Jesus is a created being, not the Eternal God. (p. 97) Reed rightly points out, however, that “first-born” does not necessarily refer to the one born first in a family. Referencing Psalm 89:27, he discloses the fact that King David, the last-born son of Jesse, was established by God to be his “first-born” when the Lord said, “Also, I myself shall place him as firstborn, The (sic) most high of the kings of the earth.” (NWT) (Ibid) David was not the first to be born in his family, nor was he even the first to be King of Israel, but God made him to be the preeminent member “of the kings of the earth.” He was the highest of all rulers, the first in terms of importance and status. Thus, Paul writes in Colossians 1:15 that Christ is “the firstborn over all creation” (NIV), the ruler over all he has made. (Revelation 3:14) -The Watchtower Jesus, D. Allen Jenkins, pg 34