Colossians 2:16

Fred

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Colossians 2:16
Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day (NASB).
As with Colossians 2:16 in the Old Covenant the Sabbath was coupled with new moons and festivals/feasts which would include the weekly Sabbath (1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4; 8:13; 31:3; Nehemiah 10:33; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11) (1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4; 8:13; 31:3; Nehemiah 10:33; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11). Just as Christians do not have to obey the commands in regards to new moons and festivals so too they do not have to obey the command of the 7th day Sabbath.

Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament (EDNT): Questions concerning the Sabbath also play a role in the religious disputes in the church at Colossae (Col 2:16). Like festivals and new moons sabbath observance is only a shadow of what is to come (2:17; cf. the similar argument in Gal 4:9f) (3:222, sabbaton, W. Beilner).
 

Him

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I love Colossians it is one of my favorite letters. It is a shame that to many of us get centered on just one thing because it really brings out the Gospel. Colossians 16 is being stated in context to verse 14. We know this by the use of the word therefore. This means that the handwriting to the ordinances mentioned in verse 14 are those to which included, the meat, drink, holydays, New moon and Sabbath days. These are they which are in the Book Of the Law. And also Verse 14 is being stated in the Dative case, Hence why it should be translated Handwriting to the, of the, or in the Ordinances. Here follow along..

Be encouraged because our hearts are united in love And into all the riches, of the full assurance of the understanding into the full recognition. The knowing of the mystery of the God and Father and of the Christ. The Mystery which is Christ in us the hope of Glory. That we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus. Striving according to his working, which worketh in us mightily.

So AS we have received Christ Jesus walk ye in Him. Being rooted, built up and established in the faith in Him. We are complete in Him, circumcised in the putting of the body of the sins of the flesh. Buried and risen with Him in baptism, quicken together with HIM walking in newness of life. Having Forgiving us all trespasses. Blotting out the handwriting TO THE ordinances. Not the ordinances themselves but the handwriting to them, in them or of them is what the verse says. THE ONES THAT HAD TO DO WITH FORGIVENESS or when we sinned. Because we have been forgiven all trespasses and are not complete in Him, striving to His working which works in us mightily. He took them out of the way nailing them to the cross.

That is the context. Having spoiled their, the handwriting TO THE Ordinances, power and their authority. He triumphed over them in it, the Cross. Let no man therefore, Because of what was just said judge you in meat, drink or respect of Holy day, new moon or sabbath days. These that were of the handwriting to the ordinances. NOT THE ORDINANCES themselves and certainly not the ten commandments.

Col 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of the ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man THEREFORE (because of what was just stated) judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
 

Fred

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Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross (KJV)
Concerning the word "ordinances" (dogma) in Colossians 2:14:
1. BDAG (3rd Edition): Of the Mosaic law (dogma, page 254).
2. Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: of the rules and requirements of the law of Moses. (dogma, page 154)
http://biblehub.com/greek/1378.htm
 

Him

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Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross (KJV)
Concerning the word "ordinances" (dogma) in Colossians 2:14:
1. BDAG (3rd Edition): Of the Mosaic law (dogma, page 254).
2. Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: of the rules and requirements of the law of Moses. (dogma, page 154)
http://biblehub.com/greek/1378.htm
The Law of Moses, the Mosaic Law is the Book of the Law not the Ten Commandments.
 

Fred

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The Law of Moses, the Mosaic Law is the Book of the Law not the Ten Commandments.

In 2 Kings 23:25 we read that Josiah "turned to the LORD with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses" - are you saying the Decalogue would not be included in how Josiah sought to obey and honor the LORD?

Furthermore, the Ten Commandmnets are called, "My statutes and ordinances" (Deuteronomy 5:1).
 
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ManOfGod81

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I’ve had this conversation with my old (sda) boss a lot, we ended on this, instead of just being worried about what food your brother is eating, let’s just make sure he’s eating in the first place....... lol
 

Him

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In 2 Kings 23:25 we read that Josiah "turned to the LORD with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses" - are you saying the Decalogue would not be included in how Josiah sought to obey and honor the LORD?

Furthermore, the Ten Commandmnets are called, "My statutes and ordinances" (Deuteronomy 5:1).
Colossians not Deut. or 2Kings. Colossians 2:16 is being stated in context to verse 14. We know this by the use of the word therefore. This means that the handwriting to the ordinances mentioned in verse 14 are those to which included, the meat, drink, holydays, New moon and Sabbath days. These are they which are in the Book Of the Law. And also Verse 14 is being stated in the Dative case, Hence why it should be translated Handwriting to the, of the, or in the Ordinances.
 

Fred

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Colossians not Deut. or 2Kings. Colossians 2:16 is being stated in context to verse 14. We know this by the use of the word therefore. This means that the handwriting to the ordinances mentioned in verse 14 are those to which included, the meat, drink, holydays, New moon and Sabbath days. These are they which are in the Book Of the Law. And also Verse 14 is being stated in the Dative case, Hence why it should be translated Handwriting to the, of the, or in the Ordinances.
You didn't answer my question.

Furthemore, the Sabbath days would include the weekly Sabbath just like it always did in every passage from the OT when accompanied with new moons and festivals.
 

Him

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You didn't answer my question.

Furthemore, the Sabbath days would include the weekly Sabbath just like it always did in every passage from the OT when accompanied with new moons and festivals.
Context of Colossians says different
 

Fred

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Context of Colossians says different

(1) The context was already addressed (cf. v. 14) which includes the Decalogue, and (2) you couldn't refute this: the Sabbath days would include the weekly Sabbath just like it always did in every passage from the OT when accompanied with new moons and festivals.

You are unable to cite just one passage which proves otherwise.

Not one.
 
You didn't answer my question.

Furthemore, the Sabbath days would include the weekly Sabbath just like it always did in every passage from the OT when accompanied with new moons and festivals.
Numbers 15:16 says the law is one. Not two or more pieces.

Jesus said nobody does the law, John 7:19. Put it on and wear it. Or be found disobeying Him.

Always amazes me that those who want to squabble about law are never able to find themselves described in 1 Timothy 1:6-10 !! Particularly the SDAdventists.

Not saying either of you are SDA's.
 

Him

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Numbers 15:16 says the law is one. Not two or more pieces.

Jesus said nobody does the law, John 7:19. Put it on and wear it. Or be found disobeying Him.

Always amazes me that those who want to squabble about law are never able to find themselves described in 1 Timothy 1:6-10 !! Particularly the SDAdventists.

Not saying either of you are SDA's.
Actually it does not say the Law is one it says One Law, statute and ordinance shall be for be for everybody. Clearly making a distinction between the three.

Num 15:15 For the assembly, there shall be one statute for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you, a statute for ever throughout your generations: as ye are, so shall the sojourner be before Jehovah.
Num 15:16 One law and one ordinance shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Please take note in the following. It is the commandments and statutes that God says is the Word that is in their hearts and mouths not the judgements. However they were to keep His Judgements also. But they are not what God had placed in their hearts as they were about to enter into the promise land.

Deut 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deut 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deut 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deut 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
Deut 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
Deut 30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
 

Him

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(1) The context was already addressed (cf. v. 14) which includes the Decalogue, and (2) you couldn't refute this: the Sabbath days would include the weekly Sabbath just like it always did in every passage from the OT when accompanied with new moons and festivals.

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No it was not. No need to refute it. Col 2:14 says Handwriting of the ordinances not the Ten Commandments. The handwritings, the Book of the Law which contained what we were to do if we sinned and the meat, drink, holy day, new moon and sabbath days. And the touch nots, taste nots, and handle nots. Context of the passage makes your argument null and void.
 

Fred

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Col 2:14 says Handwriting of the ordinances not the Ten Commandments.
BDAG (3rd Edition): Of the Mosaic law Eph 2:15; Col 2:14 (dogma, page 254).

The Mosaic law contains the Ten Commandments. And all of the Mosaic law was abolished since it was nailed to the cross! (Ephesians 2:15; Colossians 2:14)
 
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Him

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BDAG (3rd Edition): Of the Mosaic law Eph 2:15; Col 2:14 (dogma, page 254).

The Mosaic law contains the Ten Commandments. And all of the Mosaic law was abolished since it was nailed to the cross! (Ephesians 2:15; Colossians 2:14)
BDAG is a lexicon and should of remained in their lane. However that doesn't address the Handwriting of the ordinances. Or mind you to the ordinances. Nor does it address the context that the handwriting to the ordinances are those which contained what we were to do if we sinned and the meat, drink, holy day, new moon and sabbath days. And the touch nots, taste nots, and handle nots. The Grammar and the Context of the passage still makes your argument null and void.
 

Fred

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BDAG is a lexicon and should of remained in their lane. However that doesn't address the Handwriting of the ordinances. Or mind you to the ordinances. Nor does it address the context that the handwriting to the ordinances are those which contained what we were to do if we sinned and the meat, drink, holy day, new moon and sabbath days. And the touch nots, taste nots, and handle nots. The Grammar and the Context of the passage still makes your argument null and void.
What do you mean "their lane"?
 
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