Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?

rstrats

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1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth".

2. There are some who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. And of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body).

4. However, a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language.

6. I'm simply curious if anyone who may fall in the above group of believers might provide examples to support the belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.
 

Theo1689

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6. I'm simply curious if anyone who may fall in the above group of believers might provide examples to support the belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.

I have come to believe that our modern society is FAR more precise in its thinking than the first century was.

I don't think a "day" meant "12 hours" and "night" meant "12 hours".
I mean, at that time they didn't even have the technology to measure "hours" all that precisely, hence comments about "ABOUT the 9th hour..."

I don't think "A day is as a thousand years" meant EXACTLY a thousand years.

I don't think that forgiving "70 x 7 times" meant that you didn't have to forgive after precisely the 491st time.
 

Theo1689

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Theo1689,

Your comments deal with issues for a different topic. Perhaps you could start one.

If you can't see how my response directly addresses your OP, that's not my problem.
If you're going to get upset when people respond to your threads, don't start threads.
 

rstrats

New Member
If you can't see how my response directly addresses your OP, that's not my problem.


The OP is directed to those who believe the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week, and who think that the "heart of the earth" refers to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when the Messiah's spirit left His body, and who try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying He was employing common figure of speech/colloquial usage of the period, and who can provide examples to support the assertion of commonality.
If that applies to you, I don't see where your post provides any examples.
 

Theo1689

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The OP is directed to those who believe the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week, and who think that the "heart of the earth" refers to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when the Messiah's spirit left His body, and who try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying He was employing common figure of speech/colloquial usage of the period, and who can provide examples to support the assertion of commonality.

<sigh>

Yes, I'm well aware of that.
I'm quite fluent in English (which was the language you wrote your OP in), and have had over half a century experience in it.

If that applies to you, I don't see where your post provides any examples.

I'm sorry to hear that.
 

Gary Mac

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I have come to believe that our modern society is FAR more precise in its thinking than the first century was.
That is the mentality of all denominations whether they be Catholic, Muslims, Baptists, Methodists COCs AOGs, Mormons, you name it see it more clearly than the first century saw it. But in reality the see it exactly the same as for as you say it is only a belief.. There are many beliefs --aren't there?
I don't think a "day" meant "12 hours" and "night" meant "12 hours".
I mean, at that time they didn't even have the technology to measure "hours" all that precisely, hence comments about "ABOUT the 9th hour..."

I don't think "A day is as a thousand years" meant EXACTLY a thousand years.

I don't think that forgiving "70 x 7 times" meant that you didn't have to forgive after precisely the 491st time.

Technical difficulties compound confusion of the simplicity of God who is Love and man is the temple of. So simple a God yet so difficult for the religious mind to comprehend.
 

Our Lord's God

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1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth".

2. There are some who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. And of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body).

4. However, a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language.

6. I'm simply curious if anyone who may fall in the above group of believers might provide examples to support the belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.

Did the Messiah rise on the third day?
 

kamaeq

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1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth".

2. There are some who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. And of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body).

4. However, a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language.

6. I'm simply curious if anyone who may fall in the above group of believers might provide examples to support the belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.

"Heart of the earth" = buried, but given the Sabbath, the hasty burial described in the Bible would have had to occur before sunset on Friday. One reason why the Roman soldiers made sure they were all dead so the unclean bodies weren't hanging around on the Sabbath.

From my understanding of the cultural references from the period, one second before sunset is one "day" and one second after sunset is another "day", therefore, Friday (during light), Saturday (dark and light), Sunday (anytime after dark) would be three days. At least for a Jew.

Probably colloquial speech, to indicate three days (as in a day) instead of days (as in the period of light). Doesn't get past the way the Jews counted them as "evening and morning" or dark and light.

Ugh, I'd suggest you look at Jewish websites.

The Jewish day does not begin and end at midnight as does the secular calendar day. Midnight is not a distinguishable astronomic event. In the era before the modern clock, a specific hour of the night could not be precisely known, whereas an hour of the day was easily determined by sighting the location of the sun. Thus, the day had to begin by precise, simple and universally recognized standards. This meant that the day had to be reckoned either from the beginning of night or the beginning of day.

In Jewish time, the day begins with the onset of night (the appearance of the stars) followed by the morning (which technically begins with the appearance of the North Star). According to some Jewish teachers, night and morning begin with sunset and sunrise respectively. For that is how the Torah describes it: “And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.”
 

e v e

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1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth".

2. There are some who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. And of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body).

4. However, a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language.

6. I'm simply curious if anyone who may fall in the above group of believers might provide examples to support the belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.

Christ is not talking about this earth .
 

e v e

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So he's talking about the other earth?
yes....

sheol is fallen eden, where eden was, and where Christ visited. His 144k sons will help Him rebuild eden.

The earth is mentioned also in ezekiel (as the eden trees below) .... the dragon (mystery babylon) is above the waters (eden).

time in the other world is not the same....
 

e v e

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mysterybabylon‘s tree of knowledge of good and evil is their realm, what adam ate of.

the current earth we live on now is within that realm..this earth is babylon.

per enoch (eden that fell) is a cube. per rev new eden/jerusalem is a cube. much confusion in the medieval flat earth war was because of the Roman lie to make this earth and eden earth as if the same earth. both sides lied. it serves satan well for souls to believe in this world... and most do.

eden is a binary system and indeed is not heliocentric.

the current earth is heliocentric, round, circles ‘this’ sun and follows the rules of the fallen physics of science - the religion of this earth.
 
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e v e

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Christ meant it literally, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world (kosmou); I am not of this world (kosmou).”
 

rstrats

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From my understanding of the cultural references from the period, one second before sunset is one "day" and one second after sunset is another "day", therefore, Friday (during light), Saturday (dark and light), Sunday (anytime after dark) would be three days.

But that would only allow for 2 nights. Do you try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was employing common usage of the period?
 
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