Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?

e v e

Super Member
eve,
re: "I don't understand why you are focusing on it."

Read the OP.


re: "Can you explain your position?"

My position is that if someone says that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur, then they would have to have examples to show that it was common usage.


BTW, why did you respond to my post to shnarkle instead of my post to you?
Okay. So is there a specific example or line that you are applying this position to?
 

e v e

Super Member
eve,
re: "I don't understand why you are focusing on it."

Read the OP.


re: "Can you explain your position?"

My position is that if someone says that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur, then they would have to have examples to show that it was common usage.


BTW, why did you respond to my post to shnarkle instead of my post to you?
No harm was meant. I simply do not understand your OP and something in that post I replied to got my attention.
 

e v e

Super Member
Specifically what is it that you don't understand?
1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth".
Why these six points, what was your point in writing these.

2. There are some who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.
Is that bad in your opinion?

3. And of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body).
We covered that one, but I don't know what your own position is. What do you think it means?

4. However, a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.
But the third night is in paradise...which would be the point.
As for the third night, the same tomb or sheol (which was fallen eden in the other world) what is your position and why.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language.
The third night is in the other world...so no problem. Again, not everything has to be happening to the fallen context of this world but may have transcendent events in play. I'm not criticizing your point of view... other than I really don't know what you think is a correct version so i can't comment on that.

6. I'm simply curious if anyone who may fall in the above group of believers might provide examples to support the belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.

Literal Day and night in the fallen world (this current one) and Literal day and night in the other world are two different contexts. this section does have transcendent context.
 

kamaeq

Member
I don't know what day of the week He died on. It's usually marked on Friday, Good Friday, but that is a Roman Custom and
they also made other calendar changes as well as altered scripture. I don't trust any of that.
We know from the Bible that the crucifixion took place during daylight prior to the beginning of the Sabbath at nightfall, IOW on Friday.
It is also why without cheap artificial lighting (and possibly curfews), immediately on the morning after the Sabbath, disciples were coming to finish preparing the body for formal burial, IOW Sunday.
 

rstrats

Member
eve,
re: "Why these six points, what was your point in writing these."

They set forth the requirements for those to whom this topic is directed.



re: "'There are some who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.' Is that bad in your opinion?"

It is if the Messiah actually meant that 3 nights would be involved with His time in the "heart of the earth".




re: "'And of those, there are some who think that the 'heart of the earth' is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body." What do you think it means?"

That it refers to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body.




re: "'However, a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved." But the third night is in paradise..."

How do you get a third night in paradise with a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection?




re: "I'm not criticizing your point of view..."

For the purpose of this topic my only point of view is that for someone to say that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur, they would have to know of actual examples to legitimately say that it was common.
 

rstrats

Member
kamaeq,
re: "... the crucifixion took place during daylight prior to the beginning of the Sabbath at nightfall, IOW on Friday."

Do you account for the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language?
 

Gary Mac

Well-known member
kamaeq,
re: "... the crucifixion took place during daylight prior to the beginning of the Sabbath at nightfall, IOW on Friday."

Do you account for the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language?
What difference does it make? Technical difficulties will be resolved in you when you receive from God that what Jesus received from Him in Matt 3:16. All of His knowledge will be opened to you as well. if you will receive from Him the same.
 

rstrats

Member
Gary Mac,
re: "What difference does it make?"

That would be an issue for a different topic. Perhaps you could start one.
 

e v e

Super Member
We know from the Bible that the crucifixion took place during daylight prior to the beginning of the Sabbath at nightfall, IOW on Friday.
It is also why without cheap artificial lighting (and possibly curfews), immediately on the morning after the Sabbath, disciples were coming to finish preparing the body for formal burial, IOW Sunday.
I am not arguing. I already asked the poster what was the point of the op? The important thing now is to come to Him.
 

rstrats

Member
Gary Mac,
re: "Different subject?"

Yes. Your question has nothing to do with being able to provide examples.
 

kamaeq

Member
I am not arguing. I already asked the poster what was the point of the op? The important thing now is to come to Him.
No problem, just laying out why it is Good Friday and Easter Sunday, not some other days of the week.

A lot of the OP's questions are based on simple demands that the Bible fit the standards of a rigid and dry science dictionary (aka "wooden literalism"). IMO it is one of the most common, if not the most common way people attack/question the Bible. You know, like they have discovered something new recently that everybody else for the last 2000 years or more have totally missed.

Minor joke: you know why so many academics distrust the Bible and call it in error?

Because God didn't follow their style manual and syllabus when He wrote it.
 

rstrats

Member
So actually what it amounts to is you are unable to answer my question.

For once, just once, I would like to keep a topic on topic. An answer to your question "What difference does it make?" has absolutely nothing to do with being able to provide examples.

And as what is so often the case, any answer I might give could very likely cause the start of a new topic thus derailing this one.
 

Gary Mac

Well-known member
For once, just once, I would like to keep a topic on topic. An answer to your question "What difference does it make?" has absolutely nothing to do with being able to provide examples.

And as what is so often the case, any answer I might give could very likely cause the start of a new topic thus derailing this one.
Here is what you posted -- " Do you account for the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language?

Does it really make a difference? Is it conducive to the purpose of Jesus instructions for you to be that person of Christ that God sent Jesus for us to be like?

These technical difficulties presented as in days weeks or months mean noting to God, What matters is for you to be like Him. Why waste time arguing about hours, days months when the focus should be on what Jesus presented that you should be like him?

If you see the need to prove a day then you will find plenty of different opinions and arguments about it -- I just do not see the time wanted for something that doesnt matter at all is all.

Perhaps if you think it is expedient for salvation then explain why.
 

rstrats

Member
Gary Mac,
re: "Here is what you posted -- ' Do you account for the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language?['] Does it really make a difference?"

It does for the purpose of this topic.



re: "Is it conducive to the purpose of Jesus instructions for you to be that person of Christ that God sent Jesus for us to be like?"

That's an issue for a different topic.



re: "These technical difficulties presented as in days weeks or months mean noting to God, What matters is for you to be like Him."

That's an issue for a different topic.



re: "Why waste time arguing about hours, days months ..."

The only argument being made is that if someone says that it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or nor part of a night time could occur, then they would have to know of actual examples in order to legitimately make that assertion.



re: "...when the focus should be on what Jesus presented that you should be like him?"

Again, an issue for a different topic.



re: "If you see the need to prove a day..."

For the purpose of this topic, I don't.



re: "Perhaps if you think it is expedient for salvation then explain why.

And again, an issue for a different topic.
 

Gary Mac

Well-known member
Gary Mac,
re: "Here is what you posted -- ' Do you account for the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language?['] Does it really make a difference?"

It does for the purpose of this topic.



re: "Is it conducive to the purpose of Jesus instructions for you to be that person of Christ that God sent Jesus for us to be like?"

That's an issue for a different topic.



re: "These technical difficulties presented as in days weeks or months mean noting to God, What matters is for you to be like Him."

That's an issue for a different topic.



re: "Why waste time arguing about hours, days months ..."

The only argument being made is that if someone says that it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or nor part of a night time could occur, then they would have to know of actual examples in order to legitimately make that assertion.



re: "...when the focus should be on what Jesus presented that you should be like him?"

Again, an issue for a different topic.



re: "If you see the need to prove a day..."

For the purpose of this topic, I don't.



re: "Perhaps if you think it is expedient for salvation then explain why.

And again, an issue for a different topic.
You cant explain why of your own OP can you?
 
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