No, I posted a witness from my own observations over many years.Read it. I posted facts whereas you just posted your opinions.
If fact, you are simply restating a portion of my point on this topic and your own opinion on "figures of speech".
No, I posted a witness from my own observations over many years.Read it. I posted facts whereas you just posted your opinions.
And those observations are false.No, I posted a witness from my own observations over many years.
False. I'm drawing from not only the commonly accepted definitions of each and every figure presented, but presenting examples of those figures as they're used in the bible to PROVE my point. You haven't address much less refuted ANY of them.If fact, you are simply restating a portion of my point on this topic and your own opinion on "figures of speech".
Sorry, but I'm mixing this discussion up with another thread dealing with the figure Metaphor with regards to the statement "this is my body". Sorry for the misunderstanding. I just realized that what you're responding to isn't really much of a point to begin with.No, I posted a witness from my own observations over many years.
If fact, you are simply restating a portion of my point on this topic and your own opinion on "figures of speech".
Esther 4-5.Perhaps someone new looking in may know of examples.
BINGO!Esther 4-5.
Esther tells messengers to fast for "3 days, night and day." It doesn't say what time of day or night this occurs, but my sense is that it doesn't matter for the story. In ancient Israel, a Day was made of a night first, then 12 hours of a daylit day. Presumably she immediately starts fasting. Then "on" the third day, she stops fasting and gives the king a banquet.
Based on the text, you could have this chronology:
Night 1 No fasting
Day 1 Esther gives the message and starts fasting
Night 2 Fast
Day 2 Fast
Night 3 Fast
Day 3 Esther stops fasting and gives a dinner.
In this case, there would be only two nights. Technically I think that the messengers could have arrived on Night 1, but it doesn't matter in practice. The point of the phrase "night and day" is that the fast must be continuous throughout the time allotted, not that the fast must cover specifically each of the nights making up the three 24 hour days.
6. I'm simply curious if anyone who may fall in the above group of believers might provide examples to support the belief of commonality
And it came to pass, when David and his men were come to Ziklag on the third day, that the Amalekites had invaded the south, and Ziklag, and smitten Ziklag, and burned it with fire; ... And they found an Egyptian in the field, and brought him to David, and gave him bread, and he did eat; and they made him drink water; and they gave him a piece of a cake of figs, and two clusters of raisins: and when he had eaten, his spirit came again to him: for he had eaten no bread, nor drunk any water, three days and three nights. And David said unto him, To whom belongest thou? and whence art thou? And he said, I am a young man of Egypt, servant to an Amalekite; and my master left me, because three days agone I fell sick. We made an invasion upon the south of the Cherethites, and upon the coast which belongeth to Judah, and upon the south of Caleb; and we burned Ziklag with fire.
So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging. Then the men feared the Lord exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the Lord, and made vows. Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
My previous message gives 14 verses with the expression "X Days and X Nights." It seems it was meant as a round number. It's doubtful that these were all exactly literally eg. 40 days and 40 nights, and not actually eg. 41 days or 39 nights.rakovsky,
The Esther account may be one example if "three days, night or day" means the same thing as "three days and three nights". But even if it does, one examples doesn't show common usage.
As for the 1 Samuel account, nothing in it precludes at least a portion of 3 daytimes and at least a portion of 3 night times.
BINGO!
Not sure if it is exclusively Jewish, but IIRC it is Semitic or Eastern that they count any portion of a time period as the entire period.
Sorry, I seem to be a bit dense this morning, could you rephrase your question please? I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are asking.But where was it common to count no portion of a time period, i.e., a daytime as a daytime or to count no portion of a night time as a night time?
The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth". There are some who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week. And of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body. However, a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language. I'm simply curious if anyone who may fall in the above group of believers might provide examples to support the belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are asking.
If it is what I think it is, then it may be something you would have to research yourself.
Regarding the passage's real meaning: Paul talks about Jesus being in the depths of the earth as in Hades. So the term Heart of the Earth is key. In that sense, the first of the 3 nights can be the darkness over the whole earth on Good Friday at His death.
It is just something that I've come to know through studying a variety of sources. They have been discussed earlier in the thread. Jesus was using a term that meant three days (or parts thereof) and referencing death. The demand that these be absolutely literal and to the second puts a requirement that isn't in that culture or even ours.The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth". There are some who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week. And of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body. However, a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language. I'm simply curious if anyone who may fall in the above group of believers might provide examples to support the belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.
That's what I'm doing - asking anyone from the above what instances/examples they have to legitimately say that it was common usage.
Other than asking them here, how am I suppose to find out by studying other sources what they are using to say that it was common?.
I meant go out and study the sources yourself.
What exactly do you think the subject is?I did that on this subject back before there was an internet, just books.
Logic, prayer, comparison of sources, consultation of the Bible as appropriate, etc. In some cases, you simply defer and await more information.Other than asking them here, how am I suppose to find out by studying other sources what they are using to say that it was common?
What exactly do you think the subject is?
Logic, prayer, comparison of sources, consultation of the Bible as appropriate...