Contra Calvinism

fltom

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Matthew 13:18–23 (ESV) — 18 “Hear then the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path. 20 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. 22 As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. 23 As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.”


How can an unregenerate man receive the word

or if regenerate how can he fall away?
 

Simpletruther

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Matthew 13:18–23 (ESV) — 18 “Hear then the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path. 20 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. 22 As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. 23 As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.”


How can an unregenerate man receive the word

or if regenerate how can he fall away?
They recieve it in the flesh. It sounds like a good deal to the flesh sometimes.

But apart from the spirit, it will eventually have the smell of death.
 

fltom

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They recieve it in the flesh. It sounds like a good deal to the flesh sometimes.

But apart from the spirit, it will eventually have the smell of death.
Calvinism holds men are unable to believe biblical truth unless regenerated

You have not relieved this contradictionn to Calvinism
 

ReverendRV

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They recieve it in the flesh. It sounds like a good deal to the flesh sometimes.

But apart from the spirit, it will eventually have the smell of death.
Amen...

Unregenerate Men receive the Gospel Seed as Over-Spray while the Farmer is Seeding the Good Soil. It reminds me of Ray Comfort's Sermon about people on an airplane. The Stewardess tells the people wearing a Parachute will improve their Flight, so people put it on. It's uncomfortable, the Stewardess spills stuff on them because of it; and people laugh at the Passenger, so he takes it off. But if the Stewardess tell the people the plane is about to crash, you can't make them take the parachute off...

Something like this is going on with the other three Soils; Cares of the World, Pride of Life, etc...
 
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Synergy

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Matthew 13:18–23 (ESV) — 18 “Hear then the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path. 20 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. 22 As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. 23 As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.”


How can an unregenerate man receive the word
Through his God-given conscience and heart that everyone has been gifted with (Rom 2:15).
or if regenerate how can he fall away?
Through an open rebellion with God. (Heb 6:4-6).
 

Synergy

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Of course those are not answers a Calvinist could affirm
Correct. It would be anathema for a Calvinist to admit to the Biblical truth, although it was entertaining when one of them replied with UPS as the answer for your 1st question. I laughed at that.
 

fltom

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Correct. It would be anathema for a Calvinist to admit to the Biblical truth, although it was entertaining when one of them replied with UPS as the answer for your 1st question. I laughed at that.
That is correct Calvinism cannot answer the biblical truth
 

fltom

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Affirming Rom 2:15 cancels Total Depravity.
Affirming Heb 6:4-6 cancels Preservation of the Saints.
Three more to go.
The question was for Reverendrv

who claimed to affirm what you had stated

Romans 2:13–16 (KJV 1900) — 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

does presents problems for Calvinism
 

Sketo

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Matthew 13:18–23 (ESV) — 18 “Hear then the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path. 20 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. 22 As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. 23 As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.”


How can an unregenerate man receive the word

or if regenerate how can he fall away?

According to your view “immediately receive it with joy” would be considered the “choice” that prompts God to regenerate them correct?

So, in your view, when they “fall away” are they considered regenerate unbelievers at that point, or do they also become unregenerate again? Or did God just forget to regenerate them in the first place and that’s why they “fell away”? 🤷🏻‍♂️

Does your view teach that those “born of God” can become unborn of God?

 
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Correct. It would be anathema for a Calvinist to admit to the Biblical truth, although it was entertaining when one of them replied with UPS as the answer for your 1st question. I laughed at that.
Correct good point.
 
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guest1

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Affirming Rom 2:15 cancels Total Depravity.
Affirming Heb 6:4-6 cancels Preservation of the Saints.
Three more to go.
Gods grace was resisted throughout both testaments. man is not totally deprived only partially. the atonement was for all the world and UE has been proven to be false numerous times here as of late. All they are left with is a dead stem with no petals.
 
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Reformedguy

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Gods grace was resisted throughout both testaments. man is not totally deprived only partially. the atonement was for all the world and UE has been proven to be false numerous times here as of late. All they are left with is a dead stem with no petals.
No one says man does not resist. He will until our omnipotent God decides otherwise.
 

Sketo

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Correct. It would be anathema for a Calvinist to admit to the Biblical truth, although it was entertaining when one of them replied with UPS as the answer for your 1st question. I laughed at that.

Referring to the OP, Do you believe those who “immediately receive it with joy” became “born of God” before they “fell away”?

Why or Why not?

 

Howie

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Matthew 13:18–23 (ESV) — 18 “Hear then the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path. 20 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. 22 As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. 23 As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.”


How can an unregenerate man receive the word
Assumes "receive" means believed, regenerated, converted, made alive in Christ, united in Christ, etc. <I await your proof of those things.

or if regenerate how can he fall away?
He was never given eternal life by Christ (cf Jn 10:27-29).
 
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