Atemi
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Catholics believe they "honor" Mary by lying about her and denying their children.
They slander the woman and insist that is "respect."
Converts to Roman Catholicism (especially the new ones . . .)
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Catholics believe they "honor" Mary by lying about her and denying their children.
They slander the woman and insist that is "respect."
JoeT
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Mary wasn't the real Mother of God?
It is likely she is not your spiritual Mother, but she is mine and all those in the Kingdom of God.
I know, you think she was a ditzy blond. right? To your chagrin I'm sure, Mary is the Mother of Christ, hence the Mother of God. Unless you wish to argue Jesus wasn't God, or Mary didn't bear Christ.
I never said Mary was God or omniscient. I believe I said she was a creature just as you are a created being.
An honor without honorarium?
I'd suggest she was, so should you; unless you're of the generation who will not call her blessed [Cf. Luke 1:48] .
I don't follow the protest.
JoeT
Theo1689
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Mary isn't OUR mother.
Why do you feel the need to constantly MISREPRESENT others?
Why do Romanists consider honesty to be a heinous vice?
Another false claim by you.
Why are you disrespecting Mary, and misrepresenting me?
Don't get me wrong.
I appreciate you showing the rotten fruits of Romanism.
Do better.
Why do you continue to misrepresent me?
It's a shame that Romanists hate truth and honesty.
I never said that you said Mary was God.
Why do you feel the need to constantly misrepresent me?
Don't get me wrong.
I appreciate you showing the rotten fruits of Romanism.
Do better.
Why do you constantly misrepresent me?
Of course she was blessed.
Have you never read the Bible?!
But she was not "most favoured".
And she is not the "spiritual mother" of Christians.
But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. (Gal. 4:26)
How many spiritual mothers do we have?
JoeT
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Mary is indeed our Spiritual Mother.
I can only judge what is seen on the screen. Just like my judgement is that the latter question is hypocrisy in action.
The first half of the statement was, "It is likely she is not your spiritual Mother". How could my assumption be wrong when you said yourself that "Spiritual Mother" doesn't exist. The second half of the statement was, "but she is mine and all those in the Kingdom of God.". I can assure you she is.
Mary represents the Church which we honor along with His Mother. Your words represent you.
I try harder.
Your words represent you. It is Truth Personified that we love and He loved His mother.
I kind of getting lost on "you said" - "I said" but it was you who said:
"She is not God.
"She is not omniscient."
"Your belief is borderline blasphemous. "
My response was natural, I never said, and let me add, nor does any Catholci believe that Mary is God, or omniscient. I conclude then that your characterization is wrong.
Mary is indeed our "spiritual mother" - isn't that "better"?
JoeT
Joe;
and other Posters
have you ever read the "Magnificent"
is that what it's called ????????
Luke 1:46-55
in light of all that was fortold from Moses
to Zechariah; father of John
if so; then do as Moses says
Chew the Cud = meditate upon it
you will drop all these exalted titles given to
Mary; Mother of CXhrist
you will cast them away like a minsteral cloth
and other Posters
have you ever read the "Magnificent"
is that what it's called ????????
Luke 1:46-55
in light of all that was fortold from Moses
to Zechariah; father of John
if so; then do as Moses says
Chew the Cud = meditate upon it
you will drop all these exalted titles given to
Mary; Mother of CXhrist
you will cast them away like a minsteral cloth
Wrong. How many mothers do RCs have? They claim the church is their mother.
The Fourth Lateran Council, in 1215, called the Church “the mother of all the faithful.” In his 1891 encyclical Rerum Novarum, Pope Leo XIII spoke of the Church as “the common Mother of us all.” from good catholic
David1701
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I'm Scottish, so I can't. Oh well...
Luke 1:28 (WPNT) So upon entering where she was the angel said, “Rejoice, recipient of grace, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”
And there's no need for your cheek.
It's a perfect passive participle; so, it means that she was endowed with grace in the past, with the result continuing in the present (those times being relative to when the angel spoke).
Jesus was indeed God and man; however, he was sinless man, because God created him in Mary's womb miraculously. There is no indication that God used an ovum from Mary.
I think you mean "attacking her honour", which no-one is doing.
The passage says precisely nothing about Mary being, allegedly, free from original sin.
Mary is not our adopted mother!!
The RC organisation is not the Jerusalem which is above; in fact, much of it is decidedly below...
Have you ever won the Bulwer-Lytton prize for bad fiction?
Good point maybe he wasn't meaning it literal. It must be confusing when one has more than one mother.
A new day
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The roman catholic church has replaced God who created the heavens and the earth, with a helpless creature, that needed a Savior herself. And this is blasphemy. For it is ascribing God's work to someone who did NOT do the work. And it is robbing God of the glory that is rightly His.
The rcc didn't make her a near goddess, they made her a full fledged little god that they worship and lean on. An idol really.
John when describing heaven in the book of Revelation, chapters 4 and 5. Never mentions mary sitting on a throne in heaven or interceding for us.
Chapter 4 of the book of Revelation
The Throne in Heaven
4 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. 3 And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne. 4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads. 5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God. 6 Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. 7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. 8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:
“‘Holy, holy, holy
is the Lord God Almighty,’
who was, and is, and is to come.”
9 Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:
11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.”
A new day
Super Member
Chapter 5 of the book of Revelation
5 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4 I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits[a] of God sent out into all the earth. 7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. 8 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased for God
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth.”
11 Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. 12 In a loud voice they were saying:
“Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and praise!”
13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”
14 The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
5 Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4 I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits[a] of God sent out into all the earth. 7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. 8 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased for God
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth.”
11 Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. 12 In a loud voice they were saying:
“Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and praise!”
13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”
14 The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
JoeT
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I truly believe that they are blinded and deceived by the god of this world. Their Masters follow him of whom Jesus said,
Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. (John 10:1 KJV)
And,
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. (John 10:10a KJV)
The saddest part is the RCs on here truly believe "Fair is foul, and foul is fair" and refuse to look at the evidences presented, hoping that their blind faith gives them true sight. But the "light" they think is in the RCC is naught but darkness.
--Rich
A new day
Super Member
Your institution was taught a lie, centuries ago. But instead of throwing it out, like they were supposed to. Kept it and spread a lie to everyone else. The reformation would have never taken place had your institution did what Scripture commanded us to do.
Rc's deliberately construe and misapply chapter 12 of Revelation; to give themselves permission to do something that all throughout Scripture is commanded against. If Revelation 12 as used by the rcc were true, we would be reading elsewhere in Scripture of it being true. But it is not. No where is man ever given permission to worship another human. To do so is idolatry.
No where do we read of anyone ascribing glory to anyone other than God alone. The very first line in Revelation says "The revelation from Jesus Christ" And no where does Jesus tell us to put any human up on a pedestal to be worshiped.
John was directed to pen Revelation as dictated to him. John was given a glimpse of heaven, and at the beginning, described who was sitting on the throne in heaven, every being, worshipping God alone. So if chapter 12 is a reference to mary, why didn't John mention her when he was describing heaven. And who was there. John says NOTHING about mary in the book of Revelation at all.
JoeT
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The institution I'm a member of, the Catholic Church, is not mine in the sense of ownership, its Gods.
"it" being the supposed lie, does not exist. The Catholic Church was commissioned by Jesus Christ who ordained that she should be on earth to the end of time.
To desecrate the Holy Church is sacrilege, she is kyriakon, God's house.
After three woes at the end of protesting, a great sign is seen in heaven, "And the temple of God was opened in heaven: and the ark of his testament was seen in his temple, and there were lightnings, and voices, and an earthquake, and great hail" [Apocalypse 11:19. St. John then revels how this sign manifests itself "And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars [Apocalypse 12:1]. This woman is pregnant with child. A dragon, Satan, stood ready to "devour her son", Jesus Christ. [vs 5] who will rule with an iron had over all the nations of the earth [vs 6].
Mary is that Ark of the Covenant, in her rests God. The Child is Jesus Christ revealed by "the Blood of the Lamb", and the dragon is Protestantism revealed by making war with the woman. Now the dragon was blasphemous and will be destroyed.
JoeT
It is impossible to desecrate the unholy Roman "church" since it is already in a state of desecration. Its sacraments cannot be defiled since they are already an abomination.
This passage does not say that Mary is the Ark of the Covenant. John saw the ark, and he saw the woman. Two separate visions, two separate signs. And the Ark was not a mere container. It prefigured the incarnation of Christ and His salvific work.
If this is not Mariolatry, I do not know what is. Can you please explain how "Protestantism" wages war with a woman who is no longer among us? Because we do not join you in your worship of her?
A new day
Super Member
I never said you owned it.
The apostles were not told to start churches, build buildings and sit on thrones, and rule over people as imperial rome did. They were simply told to preach the gospel message.
Your institution did that all on its own, when it allowed greed and error to flourish within.