Cornelius and the Gentiles with him were baptized with the Holy Spirit (Acts 11:16)

[Fred]

Acts 11:16
And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit. (NASB)

When those[1] in Acts 2:4 (cf. Acts 1:5) were baptized with the Holy Spirit they were placed into the NT Church.[2] The same is true concerning these Gentiles. When they were baptized with the Holy Spirit they were placed into the NT Church. This took place before their water baptism (Acts 10:48).

1. Mounce's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words: Just as John baptized with water, the one coming after him would baptize with the Holy Spirit (Mt. 3:11, 16). Such imagery describes the type of "Spirit baptism" the believer receives (Spirit, page 676).
2. Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): the spiritual baptism which Jesus gives in the full might of the Consummator of the world is none other than the impartation of divine power which creates men who are subject to the divine rule, i.e., converted men (4:1003, metanoia, Behm).

All who are Christians have been baptized with the Holy Spirit.[3] Other words are employed, but they refer to the same experience. See these other words in the middle of this thread:
https://forums.carm.org/threads/cornelius-and-the-gentiles-with-him-had-the-holy-spirit-fall-on-them-acts-10-44-11-15.10788/
This refutes the false belief that the baptism with the Holy Spirit only took place in Acts 2:4 (cf. Acts 1:5) and with these Gentiles (Acts 11:16).[4]


[1] It has been asserted that only the Apostles who received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues (Acts 2:4; cf. Acts 1:26). This has been proven wrong as seen here:
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-after-salvation.5614/page-63#post-796648

In addition to the Apostles, Luke 24:33 includes other people as going to baptized with the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:49; cf. Acts 1:5; 2:4).

[2] They were already saved, but this is when the NT Church began. See footnote 1 here:
https://forums.carm.org/threads/cornelius-and-the-gentiles-with-him-received-the-holy-spirit-acts-10-47.10649/#post-803766

[3] Romans 6:3
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-is-a-rite-not-salvation.231/page-70#post-643803

1 Corinthians 12:13
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-after-salvation.5614/page-28#post-639235

Galatians 3:27
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-after-salvation.5614/page-4#post-619743

Colossians 2:12
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-after-salvation.5614/page-28#post-643800

Titus 3:5-7
(5) He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
(6) whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
(7) so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life (NASB, the underlined is mine).

The washing found in verse 5 corresponds to the Holy Spirit being poured in verse 7. This took place with Cornelius and the Gentiles with him before their water baptism.
Acts 10:45
All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. (NASB)

Ephesians 4:5
This is the "one baptism" that places the apostles and those with them into the NT Church (Acts 2:4; cf. Acts 1:5). The same is true for every Christian. This is the "one baptism" that unites all believers (Ephesians 4:5).
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-after-salvation.5614/page-4#post-619787

[4] Peter referred back to Pentecost in Acts 11 because if one were to deny the legitimacy of these Gentiles being added to the Church then that would call into serious question such greats as Peter and the other apostles as well. It doesn't mean no one else was baptized with the Holy Spirit.

 

[BJ Bear]

The Savior saves.​

Acts 11:16
And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit. (NASB)

Anyone with a high regard of Scripture will affirm that it is authoritative and true according to the God given perfect immediate context in which it was given. This being the case, it has something authoritative and true to say to the listener or reader according to that context rather than the listener or reader to it.

With that in mind the listener or reader should remember that the Apostolic history recorded in the book of Acts is a record of real persons and real events that occurred in time in the real world.

A person who treats what is recorded in the book of Acts like a wax nose or a collection of abstract ideas to be arranged and rearranged according to the whims of the listener or reader has a low regard of Scripture and will not reach a right understanding of it.

Keeping that in mind it easy to see that the chronological order is the true statement you cite above (Acts 1:5), Pentecost, and down the time line to Acts 11. The right understanding of the incarnate, crucified, and risen LORD's words in Acts 1:5 will be that of Peter and his Apostolic contemporaries.

Pentecost comes and the Holy Spirit is poured out on the previously baptized by John disciples in the house, Acts 2:4. (Remember, Jesus said that John truly baptized with water and Jesus is now bringing that one baptism from God to it's intended goal, end or completion.)

The question now is how did Peter and the Apostolic gang understand and preach about what just ocurred? He proclaimed the incarnate, crucified and risen LORD. (Since John was not the Messiah it wasn't his place to pour out the Holy Spirit in the one baptism from God.)

Peter's proclamation of the LORD included be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of sibs and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is unto you and your children... Acts 2:38-39

That is very different from the Scripture twisters who would like people to believe the Christ despising and denying idea that the Apostolic witness is really be baptized by the Holy Spirit and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit for the tautology is unto you...

(On a side note, this is why the Scripture twisters also object so strenuously to the plain reading and understanding of 1 Peter 3:21-22, and all of the other like passages. Those passages explicitly expose the error of the Scripture twisters with regard to Christ, baptism into Him, the Holy Spirit, and the Father.)

What is recorded in Acts 11 again points out that you have taken the pericope out of context and fail to recognize that Peter is trusting in the promise of the LORD GOD in baptizing Cornelius and the others.

We know that you are again taking it out of context because what occurred was in fulfillment of the vision given to Peter because he was slow to understand and act upon the command to disciple all peoples, baptizing them in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them all that He has commanded, Matthew 28:19-20. The vision was not given to change or modify the meaning and right understanding of that commission or modify any of the promises of the LORD GOD..

It is also apparent from your assertions that you don't recognize that Peter is trusting in the promise of the incarnate, crucified, and risen LORD that he who believes and is baptized shall be saved. Peter commanded that Cornelius and His companions be baptized.

When those[1] in Acts 2:4 (cf. Acts 1:5) were baptized with the Holy Spirit they were placed into the NT Church.[2] The same is true concerning these Gentiles. When they were baptized with the Holy Spirit they were placed into the NT Church. This took place before their water baptism (Acts 10:48).

That is just more Scripturally baseless story telling which again despises and denies Christ since the one Lord God only has one church. It began with Adam and Eve and will be complete with the last member that will be.

1. Mounce's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words: Just as John baptized with water, the one coming after him would baptize with the Holy Spirit (Mt. 3:11, 16). Such imagery describes the type of "Spirit baptism" the believer receives (Spirit, page 676).

That can be correctly understood in light of what Scripture actually says and means according to the immediate context in which it was given, but it is an error to try and rightly understand Scripture in light of it.

2. Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): the spiritual baptism which Jesus gives in the full might of the Consummator of the world is none other than the impartation of divine power which creates men who are subject to the divine rule, i.e., converted men (4:1003, metanoia, Behm).

This has the same limitations as the citation above.

I again deliberately pass over the remainder of the out of context story telling which doesn't affect the text, meaning, or right understanding of the passage referred to in the OP.

The Savior saves.​

 

[Fred]

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Peter's proclamation of the LORD included be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of sibs and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is unto you and your children... Acts 2:38-39

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The "promise" is the Holy Spirit.
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-is-a-rite-not-salvation.231/page-78#post-808869

And the Holy Spirit was received before their water baptism in Acts 10:44-48.

Your ton of verbiage was so easy to refute.

 

[BJ Bear]

The Savior saves.​

The "promise" is the Holy Spirit.
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-is-a-rite-not-salvation.231/page-78#post-808869

And the Holy Spirit was received before their water baptism in Acts 10:44-48.

Your ton of verbiage was so easy to refute.

Since your first statement tacitly acknowledges that your imaginative idea leads to a tautology in Acts 2:38-39 that is not a refutation.

Reading your second statement in the God given perfect immediate context in which it was given demontrates that it is not a refutation. The passage only means that Cornelius and his companions passively received the Spirit, and after Peter noticed that he acted according to the promise of Mark 16:16, he that believed and was baptized will be saved," and commanded that Cornelius and friends be baptized.

The chronology of events in this section of Scripture again demonstrates the obtuse and false nature of your claims and interpretations. If Cornelius and companions were already baptized and saved as you continue to claim then the Apostle Peter would not have commanded that they then be baptized in order that they too would have the assurance of being saved according to the promise of the incarnate, crucified, and risen LORD, in Mark 16:16 and throughout Scripture.

Do not fear the God who saves. Do not worship a God unmighty.

The Savior saves.​

 

[Fred]

The Savior saves.​

Since your first statement tacitly acknowledges that your imaginative idea leads to a tautology in Acts 2:38-39 that is not a refutation.

Incorrect.
Galatians 3:14
in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith (NASB).
1. Mounce's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words: Several places in the NT identify what God has promised as the end-time gift of the Holy Spirit. In Lk. 24:49 Jesus tells the disciples that he is sending "the promise of the Father" to them, and then in Acts 1:4 this thought is resumed when the disciples are instructed to remain in Jerusalem and await "the promise of the Father." In Acts 2:33 it becomes explicit that in this case "the promise of the Father" is the Holy Spirit as Luke records Peter saying in his Pentecost sermon: "having received the promise of the Holy Spirit from the Father, he has poured out this that you see and hear." Paul connects the promise of the Holy Spirit to the blessing of Abraham in Gal. 3:14. Believers are sealed by the Holy Spirit of the promise (Eph. 1:13) (Promise, page 542).

See also the "gift of the Holy Spirit." For the gift of the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit.

Cornelius and the Gentiles with him had the gift of the Holy Spirit poured on them (Acts 10:45)

Acts 10:45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. (NASB) Since these Gentiles had "the gift of the Holy Spirit" poured[1] on them proves they were saved before they were water baptized (Acts...

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The passage only means that Cornelius and his companions passively received the Spirit

Thus, proving they were saved for the unsaved in the new covenant era do not receive the Holy Spirit (John 14:17).

If Cornelius and companions were already baptized and saved

They were saved first (Acts 10:47), then water baptized (Acts 10:48).

 

[BJ Bear]

The Savior saves.​

Incorrect.
Galatians 3:14
in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith (NASB).
1. Mounce's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words: Several places in the NT identify what God has promised as the end-time gift of the Holy Spirit. In Lk. 24:49 Jesus tells the disciples that he is sending "the promise of the Father" to them, and then in Acts 1:4 this thought is resumed when the disciples are instructed to remain in Jerusalem and await "the promise of the Father." In Acts 2:33 it becomes explicit that in this case "the promise of the Father" is the Holy Spirit as Luke records Peter saying in his Pentecost sermon: "having received the promise of the Holy Spirit from the Father, he has poured out this that you see and hear." Paul connects the promise of the Holy Spirit to the blessing of Abraham in Gal. 3:14. Believers are sealed by the Holy Spirit of the promise (Eph. 1:13) (Promise, page 542).

Is this the method of interpretation of the cult or sect that bamboozled you into accepting and proclaiming another gospel, which is no gospel at all? People that play out of context Scripture passage bingo can "prove" anything they like to themselves because they disregard and deny the God given perfect immediate context in which Scripture was given.

Is it within the realm of possibility in your religious circle's to read and understand Scripture according to the God given perfect immediate context in which it was given? And without trying to redefine terms? If so then why don't you do so?

If there are some words in Acts 10 or 11 that you find dark or unintelligible then why not post which words they are so that we can discuss them?

Regarding Galatians 3:14, the word translated as faith is a noun. That faith, a noun, has to be delivered to people, the listeners or readers, through a preacher, through the preaching of the true gospel rather than the preaching of a false gospel. Delivering a false gospel to people only leads those hearers to believe, a verb, a false gospel.

Once again, see Galatians 3:25-27 for how Paul breaks it down and assigns baptism into Christ as cause of faith.

Thus, proving they were saved for the unsaved in the new covenant era do not receive the Holy Spirit (John 14:17).

That is only more out of context Scripture passage bingo. What is the context and why can't the world receive the Spirit? Let us know when you figure out what that passage actually says and means.

They were saved first (Acts 10:47), then water baptized (Acts 10:48).

Your false claim is based on imagination that uses the redefinition of terms and out of context Scripture passage bingo for it's purported justification. How did anyone convince you that that method will reliably, or ever, lead to right interpretations?

The Savior saves.

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[Fred]

The Savior saves.​

Is this the method of interpretation of the cult or sect that bamboozled you into accepting and proclaiming another gospel, which is no gospel at all? People that play out of context Scripture passage bingo can "prove" anything they like to themselves because they disregard and deny the God given perfect immediate context in which Scripture was given.

Is it within the realm of possibility in your religious circle's to read and understand Scripture according to the God given perfect immediate context in which it was given? And without trying to redefine terms? If so then why don't you do so?

If there are some words in Acts 10 or 11 that you find dark or unintelligible then why not post which words they are so that we can discuss them?

More of your mindless ramblings.

Regarding Galatians 3:14, the word translated as faith is a noun. That faith, a noun, has to be delivered to people, the listeners or readers, through a preacher, through the preaching of the true gospel rather than the preaching of a false gospel. Delivering a false gospel to people only leads those hearers to believe, a verb, a false gospel.

Acts 15:7-8
(7) And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
(8) And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us. (ESV)

Glad the Gentiles had the true gospel preached to them in which they believed. The fact that God "gave" them the Holy Spirit proves they are saved - before their water baptism

Once again, see Galatians 3:25-27 for how Paul breaks it down and assigns baptism into Christ as cause of faith.

Correct. This refers to the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-after-salvation.5614/page-4#post-619743

What is the context

Jesus is speaking

and why can't the world receive the Spirit?

Because only Christians receive the Holy Spirit.

Let us know when you figure out what that passage actually says and means.

I already have.

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): Reception of the pneuma distinguishes Christians from the world (Jn. 14:17) and so unequivocally constitutes them Christians that (in Ac.) the answer to the question whether there has been reception of the Spirit determines absolutely whether a man is a Christian or not (Ac. 10:47; 19:2) (4:7, lambanō, Delling).

Nice!

Your false claim is based on imagination that uses the redefinition of terms

I have quoted from Bible dictionaries to back up my claim, while you have given your worthless opinion.

What a joke.


Thanks for making it easy for me to refute your heresy.

 

[BJ Bear]

The Savior saves.​

More of your mindless ramblings.



Acts 15:7-8
(7) And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
(8) And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us. (ESV)

Glad the Gentiles had the true gospel preached to them in which they believed. The fact that God "gave" them the Holy Spirit proves they are saved - before their water baptism

There you go again with the out of context Scripture passage bingo. Acts 15:7-8 doesn't change what occurred in Acts 10, including Peter's response of then having them baptized. Peter trustied the promise of the LORD that the one who believed and is baptized will be saved. You should do the same.

Btw, what actually occurred in Acts 10 still demonstrates the foolish nature of your claim based on your redefinition of terms because Peter commanded that they be baptized with the one baptism from God.

Correct. This refers to the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-after-salvation.5614/page-4#post-619743

The illogical and foolish nature of your use of Scripture passage bingo and your tautological claims is demonstrated above and throughout the two recent threads.

Jesus is speaking

Jesus is speaking about what? Why is He saying that?

Because only Christians receive the Holy Spirit.

Anyone reading the passage will know that isn't what it says. Why are you unwilling or unable to affirm what the passage says and means? Oh, that's right, the false gospel you have received and proclaim won't allow you to do so because it will demonstrate the foolish and false nature of your gospel.

I already have.

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): Reception of the pneuma distinguishes Christians from the world (Jn. 14:17) and so unequivocally constitutes them Christians that (in Ac.) the answer to the question whether there has been reception of the Spirit determines absolutely whether a man is a Christian or not (Ac. 10:47; 19:2) (4:7, lambanō, Delling).

Nice!

No, you haven't, see above.

I have quoted from Bible dictionaries to back up my claim, while you have given your worthless opinion.

What a joke.

What a lexicon says is at best only subservient to what Scripture actually says and means in the God given perfect immediate context in which it was given. What a lexicon says is not authoritative over Scripture.

What I have done is direct you to the actual words of Scripture in the context in which they were given so that the intended meaning of the author is clear. There was no redefining of terms or Scripture passage bingo used to avoid interacting with the actual text and it's meaning in context as you repeatedly have done.

Thanks for making it easy for me to refute your heresy.

Again, you haven't refuted anything which Scripture actually says according to it's God given perfect immediate context and which I have affirmed. But you have again demonstrated the illogical and false nature of the claims you have used to try and support your false gospel.

Don't worship a false God who is less mightier than you and your imagination.

The Savior saves.​

 

[Fred]

The Savior saves.​

Acts 15:7-8 doesn't change what occurred in Acts 10

I never claimed it did.

Btw, what actually occurred in Acts 10 still demonstrates the foolish nature of your claim based on your redefinition of terms

This outlandish assertion was already addressed in the final section of my previous response.

because Peter commanded that they be baptized with the one baptism from God.

Which doesn't prove these Gentiles were not saved beforehand.

Thanks again for making this easy for me.

 

[Our Lord's God]

Acts 11:16
And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit. (NASB)

When those[1] in Acts 2:4 (cf. Acts 1:5) were baptized with the Holy Spirit they were placed into the NT Church.[2] The same is true concerning these Gentiles. When they were baptized with the Holy Spirit they were placed into the NT Church. This took place before their water baptism (Acts 10:48).

1. Mounce's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words: Just as John baptized with water, the one coming after him would baptize with the Holy Spirit (Mt. 3:11, 16). Such imagery describes the type of "Spirit baptism" the believer receives (Spirit, page 676).
2. Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): the spiritual baptism which Jesus gives in the full might of the Consummator of the world is none other than the impartation of divine power which creates men who are subject to the divine rule, i.e., converted men (4:1003, metanoia, Behm).

All who are Christians have been baptized with the Holy Spirit.[3] Other words are employed, but they refer to the same experience. See these other words in the middle of this thread:
https://forums.carm.org/threads/cornelius-and-the-gentiles-with-him-had-the-holy-spirit-fall-on-them-acts-10-44-11-15.10788/
This refutes the false belief that the baptism with the Holy Spirit only took place in Acts 2:4 (cf. Acts 1:5) and with these Gentiles (Acts 11:16).[4]


[1] It has been asserted that only the Apostles who received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues (Acts 2:4; cf. Acts 1:26). This has been proven wrong as seen here:
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-after-salvation.5614/page-63#post-796648

In addition to the Apostles, Luke 24:33 includes other people as going to baptized with the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:49; cf. Acts 1:5; 2:4).

[2] They were already saved, but this is when the NT Church began. See footnote 1 here:
https://forums.carm.org/threads/cornelius-and-the-gentiles-with-him-received-the-holy-spirit-acts-10-47.10649/#post-803766

[3] Romans 6:3
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-is-a-rite-not-salvation.231/page-70#post-643803

1 Corinthians 12:13
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-after-salvation.5614/page-28#post-639235

Galatians 3:27
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-after-salvation.5614/page-4#post-619743

Colossians 2:12
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-after-salvation.5614/page-28#post-643800

Titus 3:5-7
(5) He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
(6) whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
(7) so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life (NASB, the underlined is mine).

The washing found in verse 5 corresponds to the Holy Spirit being poured in verse 7. This took place with Cornelius and the Gentiles with him before their water baptism.
Acts 10:45
All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. (NASB)

Ephesians 4:5
This is the "one baptism" that places the apostles and those with them into the NT Church (Acts 2:4; cf. Acts 1:5). The same is true for every Christian. This is the "one baptism" that unites all believers (Ephesians 4:5).
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-after-salvation.5614/page-4#post-619787

[4] Peter referred back to Pentecost in Acts 11 because if one were to deny the legitimacy of these Gentiles being added to the Church then that would call into serious question such greats as Peter and the other apostles as well. It doesn't mean no one else was baptized with the Holy Spirit.

How about those Samaritans?

12 But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike. 13 Even Simon himself believed and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip, and as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed. 14 Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, 15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For the Spirit had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 8

Now what? Were they saved when they believed and were baptized?

 

[Fred]

How about those Samaritans?

12 But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike. 13 Even Simon himself believed and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip, and as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed. 14 Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, 15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For the Spirit had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 8

Now what? Were they saved when they believed and were baptized?

Cornelius and the Gentiles with him received the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:47)

Acts 10:47-48 (47) “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” (48) And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days. (NASB) Since these Gentiles received...

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They were saved when they received the Holy Spirit.

 

[Our Lord's God]

Cornelius and the Gentiles with him received the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:47)

Acts 10:47-48 (47) “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?” (48) And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days. (NASB) Since these Gentiles received...

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They were saved when they received the Holy Spirit.

So the Samaritans believed the Gospel and they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus, but according to you, they were NOT SAVED from their sins.

Correct?

 

[Fred]

So the Samaritans believed the Gospel and they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus, but according to you, they were NOT SAVED from their sins.

Correct?

Romans 8:9
if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (NASB)

Simple.

 

[Our Lord's God]

Romans 8:9
if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (NASB)

Simple.

Was that a Yes?

 

[Fred]

Was that a Yes?

When they received the Holy Spirit is when they were saved.

Here's some more help:
New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology (NIDNT): The Spirit as the fundamental mark of belonging to Christ. As with the first Christians so with Paul, the gift of the Spirit is what makes the individual a member of Christ (Rom. 8:9; cf. 1 Cor. 2:12; 2 Cor. 11:4; 1 Thess. 4:8) (3:700-701, Spirit, J.D.G. Dunn).

 

[Our Lord's God]

Here's some more help:

New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology (NIDNT): The Spirit as the fundamental mark of belonging to Christ. As with the first Christians so with Paul, the gift of the Spirit is what makes the individual a member of Christ (Rom. 8:9; cf. 1 Cor. 2:12; 2 Cor. 11:4; 1 Thess. 4:8) (3:700-701, Spirit, J.D.G. Dunn).

You seem to have a hard time saying YES or NO.

There is no trick question here. So why do you have such a hard time answering Yes or Not to fair Yes/No questions that contain no false premise?

 

[Fred]

You seem to have a hard time saying YES or NO.

There is no trick question here. So why do you have such a hard time answering Yes or Not to fair Yes/No questions that contain no false premise?

When they received the Holy Spirit is when they were saved.

So this means they were not saved before this time.

Simple (again).

 

[Our Lord's God]

When they received the Holy Spirit is when they were saved.

So this means they were not saved before this time.

Simple (again).

When was Peter saved?

 

[Fred]

When was Peter saved?

Peter and the others with him were already saved before their reception of the Holy Spirit, because the NT Church had not yet begun (Acts 2:4). When they received the Holy Spirit they were placed into the NT Church. When all those after receive the Holy Spirit they are placed into the NT Church/saved at that point.

See footnote 2 in the OP.

 

[101G]

the baptism "of" the Holy is not the same as the Baptism "WITH" the Holy Ghost