Cite the passages from the Bible that make this distinction.the baptism "of" the Holy is not the same as the Baptism "WITH" the Holy Ghost
Cornelius and the Gentiles with him were baptized with the Holy Spirit (Acts 11:16)
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GINOLJKC, to all,
sure, John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
now let us put this in a simple form so that U can follow and understand.
#1."The BPTISM of the Holy Spirit". which places us into his Body the Kingdom.
Born. G1080 γεννάω gennao (ǰen-naō') v.
1. (properly, of the father) to procreate.
2. (by extension, of the mother) to conceive.
3. (figuratively) to regenerate.
[from a variation of G1085]
KJV: bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring
regenerate. a NEW LIFE and this LIFE is in Christ,,,, right.
let's see the mechanic or the process.
First, another word for Baptism is convert please look these words up and find out what they are synonyms with
second, another word for convert is transform, meaning "TRANSLATE". scripture, Colossians 1:12 "Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:" Colossians 1:13 "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:" Colossians 1:14 "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:" for, for, for, the forgiveness of SINS.
this is the process or the mechanic of being "Born" or the baptism "OF" the Holy Spirit. do U understand Now?
#2. the Baptism "WITH" the Holy Spirit. in which the Lord Jesus EMPOWERS us to do WORKS.
Mark 1:8 "I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.".
ok. water was for repentance, so what's the Holy Ghost baptism here for? answer,
Acts 1:4 "And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me." (STOP and THINK, did they nor already received the Holy Spirit? see John 20:22, but now with POWER). Acts 1:5 "For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." Acts 1:6 "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?" Acts 1:7 "And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power." Acts 1:8 "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."
and this "POWER" is in the Form of the Spiritual Gifts. 1 Corinthians 12:7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal." 1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;" 1 Corinthians 12:9 "To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;" 1 Corinthians 12:10 "To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:" 1 Corinthians 12:11 "But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."
so the Baptism "of" the Holy Spirit is to place one into the body of Christ, meaning being "BORN AGAIN".
the Baptism "WITH" the Holy Spirit is once one is in the body, one goes to WORK, and the Lord Jesus EMPOWER them to do the Work.
Fred, this is basic bible study 101. if U have ANY question, I'm sure U will.....
just ask the intelligent ones.... ok.GINOLJKC, to all,
sure, John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
now let us put this in a simple form so that U can follow and understand.
#1."The BPTISM of the Holy Spirit". which places us into his Body the Kingdom.
Born. G1080 γεννάω gennao (ǰen-naō') v.
1. (properly, of the father) to procreate.
2. (by extension, of the mother) to conceive.
3. (figuratively) to regenerate.
[from a variation of G1085]
KJV: bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring
regenerate. a NEW LIFE and this LIFE is in Christ,,,, right.
let's see the mechanic or the process.
First, another word for Baptism is convert please look these words up and find out what they are synonyms with
second, another word for convert is transform, meaning "TRANSLATE". scripture, Colossians 1:12 "Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:" Colossians 1:13 "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:" Colossians 1:14 "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:" for, for, for, the forgiveness of SINS.
this is the process or the mechanic of being "Born" or the baptism "OF" the Holy Spirit. do U understand Now?
#2. the Baptism "WITH" the Holy Spirit. in which the Lord Jesus EMPOWERS us to do WORKS.
Mark 1:8 "I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.".
ok. water was for repentance, so what's the Holy Ghost baptism here for? answer,
Acts 1:4 "And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me." (STOP and THINK, did they nor already received the Holy Spirit? see John 20:22, but now with POWER). Acts 1:5 "For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." Acts 1:6 "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?" Acts 1:7 "And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power." Acts 1:8 "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."
and this "POWER" is in the Form of the Spiritual Gifts. 1 Corinthians 12:7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal." 1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;" 1 Corinthians 12:9 "To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;" 1 Corinthians 12:10 "To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:" 1 Corinthians 12:11 "But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."
so the Baptism "of" the Holy Spirit is to place one into the body of Christ, meaning being "BORN AGAIN".
the Baptism "WITH" the Holy Spirit is once one is in the body, one goes to WORK, and the Lord Jesus EMPOWER them to do the Work.
Fred, this is basic bible study 101. if U have ANY question, I'm sure U will.....
Too many grammatical errors (as well as doctrinal ones) and it looks too much like a ransom note.
I am not reading it.
so we can take this as you cannot understand nor accept the TRUTH? ... thought so.
You are not a we.
BJ Bear
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I don't remember if I passed over this reply or missed it, but the above is an illogical and false claim because it is still based upon a redefining of terms regardless of the works previously cited. You are still mistaking your interpretation for what Scripture actually says.
For example, you claim the Gentiles in Acts 10 were saved before they were baptized, but that isn't what the passage says.
For the record, in Peter's explanation of the event he asked who was he to hinder God rather than who was I to hinder the Gentiles? “"If then God has given to them the same gift as He gave to us, when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to hinder God?"” (Act 11:17, EMTV)
Doctrine ought to be based on what all of the Bible teaches, not just a passage or a certain section.
Don't hinder God in water baptizing them because they were already given the same gift.
If one has been given the Holy Spirit demonstrates they are saved (1 John 4:13).
- Cornelius and the Gentiles with him were given the Holy Spirit (Acts 11:17; 15:8)
Acts 11:17 If then God gave the same gift to them as he gave to us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way? (ESV) Acts 15:7-8 (7) And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God...
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This took place with Cornelius and the Gentiles with him before their water baptism.
BJ Bear
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That's a nice way of saying story telling is what Biblical doctrine should be based upon. Everyone who disregards what Scripture actually says does that and consequently begins overriding one passage wirh another to suit their fancy. Then they all claim their imaginative conclusions are the right and true biblical doctrines.
That method of interpretation is a sure fount of confusion and error.
Are you really writing that it means to not hinder God in His do nothing (according you) baptism?
Speaking in tongues is only a gift of the Holy Spirit, magnifying God is a manifestation of the Spirit, but neither of them is the baptism into Christ which does now save you through the resurrection of Christ.
That's more illogical Scripture passage bingo because not only is it out of context to Acts, but it is also being used in an out of context manner to 1 John. (John was writing to the already baptized disciples of Christ.)
You are still trying to equate a gift of the Holy Spirit and a manifestation of the Holy Spirit with the gift of the Holy Spirit given in baptism into Christ which does now save you.
For those IN the church (1 Corinthians 12:28).
False, otherwise they would not have received this gift.
There you go denying other parts of Scripture.
Both Acts and 1 John speak of the Holy Spirit being given.
They couldn't have spoken in tongues if they did not have the gift of the Holy Spirit.
The fact that they did speak in tongues proves they already received the gift of the Holy Spirit.
This took place in Acts 10:45 before their water baptism (Acts 10:48).
Our Lord's God
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the baptism "of" the Holy is not the same as the Baptism "WITH" the Holy Ghost
Maybe in someone's fantasy world.
so was u baptized With the Holy Ghost before being Baptized/Born again into Christ Jesus who is the Holy Ghost? ....... (smile)
BJ Bear
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Is there some other reason for posting that other than a demonstration of out of context illogic and how not to read a document which accurately reflects what it seeks to convey?
That is silly and false conclusion because it ignores the immediate context, that is, the vision, the event, and the purpose of the vision and event.
There you go again trying to justify your out of context Scripture passage bingo in an attempt to justify your other, non prophetic and apostolic, gospel. The context of the vision and it's fulfillment is not the same context as writing to the already baptized in 1 John. Your illogic is like that of the guy who says there is no God and there is no other God have the same meaning and context because they both use the word God.
Do you really not know the difference between an indefinite article, "a," and a definite article, "the?" Speaking in tongues is only a gift of the Holy Spirit. Or to use the Apostle's words, "Do all speak in tongues, etc?"
Nonsense, that's just more Scripture twisting in support of a false gospel. Not only does Scripture not say what you claim, but Peter's takeaway was that the baptism which does now save you through the resurrection of Christ was to then be applied to them.
The reason for it is because that is what 1 Corinthians 12:28 teaches.
I didn't bother to read the rest of your drivel, because your response above is simply foolish.
No need to feed the troll of absurdity.