Could many many millions in the U.S. have been brainwashed with bad marxist/commist like ideologies and/or bad radical liberism?

Could many many millions in the U.S. have been brainwashed with bad marxist/commist like ideologies and/or bad radical liberism?

It appears that some of what he says in this video could have and be happening.



Could it be that these people who have been brainwashed with bad marist/communiat/bad radical liberalism have succeeded in changing some of U.S. society and culture?
 
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Temujin

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Could many many millions in the U.S. have been brainwashed with bad marxist/commist like ideologies and/or bad radical liberism?

It appears that some of what he says in this video could have and be happening.

No. Sorry but the suggestion is ludicrous. The US is more right wing than most other democracies. There is widespread paranoia about communism that has been in place since the 1950s. Even the word "liberal", which in most countries denotes a boringly centrist, middle of the road, harmless fence - sitter; is regarded in the US as some kind of dangerous radical. If there is any brainwashing, it would be the belief that anyone to the left of George Bush will disband the military and spend all taxation on healthcare for drug addicts.
 

Electric Skeptic

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Could many many millions in the U.S. have been brainwashed with bad marxist/commist like ideologies and/or bad radical liberism?

It appears that some of what he says in this video could have and be happening.

No, they couldn't, and there is zero evidence that they have. Particularly since the US is more to the right than virtually any other western nation.
 
No. Sorry but the suggestion is ludicrous. The US is more right wing than most other democracies. There is widespread paranoia about communism that has been in place since the 1950s. Even the word "liberal", which in most countries denotes a boringly centrist, middle of the road, harmless fence - sitter; is regarded in the US as some kind of dangerous radical. If there is any brainwashing, it would be the belief that anyone to the left of George Bush will disband the military and spend all taxation on healthcare for drug addicts.
In the past most people would not have agree with letting illegal immigrants into the U.S. without going by the law. Now it seems that has changed. Many other things have changed too. Many things going on now that some say is progress appear to be things being used for some to get more power and stay in power despite what the current majority thinks like creating a way of letting in other minorities into the country illegally and allowing them to vote. Many other things such as trying to have universal health care. It is as if the some are trying to bribe the country into giving them power. And some of the same people are trying to get rid of some guns so some can't fight back and get rid of the police for the same reason.

This appears to be far fetched but when some leaders are talking about no boarders and the great reset, it makes some question it. And also how some preach socialism and talk against capitalism. And also how the racial and sex divide has went up taking attention away from the class divide.

It is questionable for some.
 
No, they couldn't, and there is zero evidence that they have. Particularly since the US is more to the right than virtually any other western nation.
You could be right when it comes to some people in the middle of the country but if the U.S. is more to the right, then why does it appear that most of the major institutions appear to be to the left? And the big cities too? Like education, media, corporations, social media, entertainment, sports, deep state, and the house. The Supreme Court usually goes to the left on their decisions it seems. Many things are to the left. And those things appear to be trying to force the people who are to the right in the middle of the U.S. to submit to their ideology with claims of racism, sexism, white nationism and discrimination.
 

Temujin

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In the past most people would not have agree with letting illegal immigrants into the U.S. without going by the law. Now it seems that has changed. Many other things have changed too. Many things going on now that some say is progress appear to be things being used for some to get more power and stay in power despite what the current majority thinks like creating a way of letting in other minorities into the country illegally and allowing them to vote. Many other things such as trying to have universal health care. It is as if the some are trying to bribe the country into giving them power. And some of the same people are trying to get rid of some guns so some can't fight back and get rid of the police for the same reason.

This appears to be far fetched but when some leaders are talking about no boarders and the great reset, it makes some question it. And also how some preach socialism and talk against capitalism. And also how the racial and sex divide has went up taking attention away from the class divide.

It is questionable for some.
Please be specific. Your examples are so wooly and indistinct that it is difficult to grasp exactly what your problem is. How for example is universal healthcare a bribe to the country to gain power? If politicians give people what they want, that is surely a good thing. What do you mean by the great reset? What is "No boarders?" Please pick an example, give something specific and we can discuss it.
 

Whateverman

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Could many many millions in the U.S. have been brainwashed with bad marxist/commist like ideologies and/or bad radical liberism?
No.

You disagreeing with people doesn't imply that they're brainwashed.

Not going to watch some video you like, just because you like it. If you have an opinion, say it yourself, in your own words.
 

Temujin

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You could be right when it comes to some people in the middle of the country but if the U.S. is more to the right, then why does it appear that most of the major institutions appear to be to the left? And the big cities too? Like education, media, corporations, social media, entertainment, sports, deep state, and the house. The Supreme Court usually goes to the left on their decisions it seems. Many things are to the left. And those things appear to be trying to force the people who are to the right in the middle of the U.S. to submit to their ideology with claims of racism, sexism, white nationism and discrimination.
All political dialogue involves disagreement, compromise and conflict resolution. Always some people will be dissatisfied. They tend to be on the extremes. The point that both ES and I are making is that in the US, the dialogue is not between left and right, but between right and further right. Hence your OP speculation about a leftist brainwashing of the whole country is wide of the mark.
 
Please be specific. Your examples are so wooly and indistinct that it is difficult to grasp exactly what your problem is. How for example is universal healthcare a bribe to the country to gain power? If politicians give people what they want, that is surely a good thing. What do you mean by the great reset? What is "No boarders?" Please pick an example, give something specific and we can discuss it.
No boarders as in no wall and making it not illegal or no consequences like some have pushed, when illegal immigrants come to the U.S. legally.

Universal health care is not affordable without taxes going up. So either universal health care is a lie or there is deception with the taxes going up. Either way, appears to be promise that can't be kept, to get votes, because many people don't want taxes to go up.
 

Temujin

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No boarders as in no wall and making it not illegal or no consequences like some have pushed, when illegal immigrants come to the U.S. legally.
Who specifically is suggesting that borders are removed and unrestricted immigration should be allowed? You say "some". Who are they? Do they actually exist?

Universal health care is not affordable without taxes going up. So either universal health care is a lie or there is deception with the taxes going up. Either way, appears to be promise that can't be kept, to get votes, because many people don't want taxes to go up.
Americans pay more for their healthcare through insurance than Britons do in taxes. A lot more. Plus, we have no anxiety about healthcare whatsoever. We get sick, we get treated. We fall over in a public place, paramedics attend and treat us or take us to hospital. There is no charge. We wouldn't even charge you if you fell sick in our country. Universal health care is hugely popular and a source of national pride. You give all this up, pay more through insurance, suffer agonies of worry over every health incident, live in dread of chronic conditions, pay for inflated drug costs, all to avoid a very modest tax rise. Your choice, but universal healthcare is hardly communism.
 

Whateverman

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No boarders as in no wall and making it not illegal or no consequences like some have pushed, when illegal immigrants come to the U.S. legally.
I haven't see anyone ever argue in favor of this.

Universal health care is not affordable without taxes going up. So either universal health care is a lie or there is deception with the taxes going up. Either way, appears to be promise that can't be kept, to get votes, because many people don't want taxes to go up.
I haven't ever seen someone arguing that universal healthcare wouldn't entail new taxes.

I have seen several people arguing that it could be paid for by a couple of different methods at the same time, and thus the full cost wouldn't be immediately pushed to consumers. For example, most US workers already pay for healthcare by having money withdrawn from their paychecks. If universal healthcare took this same money, that wouldn't be a new tax, and IN THEORY the consumer wouldn't see anything different. However, this is just a method to trick people into thinking they're not being taxed.

EVERYONE recognizes that universal healthcare is going to cost money. The question lies in where the money comes from, and very few people think they'd get it for free.
 

J regia

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No. Sorry but the suggestion is ludicrous. The US is more right wing than most other democracies. There is widespread paranoia about communism that has been in place since the 1950s. Even the word "liberal", which in most countries denotes a boringly centrist, middle of the road, harmless fence - sitter; is regarded in the US as some kind of dangerous radical. If there is any brainwashing, it would be the belief that anyone to the left of George Bush will disband the military and spend all taxation on healthcare for drug addicts.
And in this country the Liberal Party is the right wing conservative political party which was founded by a "reds-under-the-bed" panicker.
 

Mr Laurier

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Could many many millions in the U.S. have been brainwashed with bad marxist/commist like ideologies and/or bad radical liberism?

It appears that some of what he says in this video could have and be happening.



Could it be that these people who have been brainwashed with bad marist/communiat/bad radical liberalism have succeeded in changing some of U.S. society and culture?
Very simply. no.
 

Electric Skeptic

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You could be right when it comes to some people in the middle of the country but if the U.S. is more to the right, then why does it appear that most of the major institutions appear to be to the left? And the big cities too? Like education, media, corporations, social media, entertainment, sports, deep state, and the house. The Supreme Court usually goes to the left on their decisions it seems. Many things are to the left. And those things appear to be trying to force the people who are to the right in the middle of the U.S. to submit to their ideology with claims of racism, sexism, white nationism and discrimination.
Sorry, but these things are on the left to YOU, and to others on the right. To the rest of the world, they are center or slightly left of center. Do you really not know this? Do you really not know that the vast majority of the western world laughs at rightist positions like creationism, climate change-denialism and COVID-denialism? Do you really not know that the rest of the world laughed at the US for four years because we'd elected Trump? Do you really not know that most of the rest of the western world has universal health care, with the US rejects as communism? And so forth...

The US as a whole is a long way to the right compared to the rest of the western world.
 
Compare to the rest of the western world maybe but what about compared to, for example the U.S. in 1985? Or in the past?

As far as changes to the left, other western countries are further, it appears. Could that be because of the U.S. constitution?
 

Electric Skeptic

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Compare to the rest of the western world maybe but what about compared to, for example the U.S. in 1985? Or in the past?
Who cares? I mean, as a historical point, sure...but as an issue today?
As far as changes to the left, other western countries are further, it appears. Could that be because of the U.S. constitution?
I doubt it. There's nothing in the constitution that particularly binds us to the right...and it's no different than other nations' constitution in that way.

The primary reason (I believe) is the strenght of the religious right. It has held us down for centuries.
 
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