He holds the host irreverently then if the host was the true presence then he would physically drop down dead as well. That is scriptural.
Could Transubstantion be true?
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JoeT
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For sure.
Nice try. Not even you can't usurp the Divine Church. Remember, the gates will not prevail against her.
It doesn't matter, there are two victims in this case, one of injustice and one for our justification.
JoeT
no, God does that, even tho catholics don't believe He does. the RCC is not 'divine', nor is it His church.
your 'her' isn't His church. His church is His body of believers - those who believe in Him and His word, those who have experienced the rebirth which isn't by water or wafer.
catholics are the ones who claim to believe in cannibalism.
by the time most people are 16 they can read for themselves and hopefully understand what they read. they shouldn't need to be spoon fed anymore.
No one is usurping your institutions authority, it cannot be done it has no authority. Hypocrisy is noted.
Nic
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Exo is usually thought of as eating people not one's tribe.
Endo refers to eating a tribesmen who has died. There are different reasons why this is practiced. Some are islanders devoid of sustainable food resources but all usually have the understanding that eating a brave warrior or hunter may endow those who ingest the flesh with bravery or skills to obtain food. Or wisdom when they consume the brain gentleness, strength, craftsmanship, leadership, etc...
RCs and Jesus are not the same tribe at all. Cannibalism is not just a tribal thing. That is a wrong impression.
There are other cases survival in ship wrecks, as criminal acts and war crimes throughout the 20th and 21st centuries. Dahmer said was a cannibal.
Human cannibalism - Wikipedia
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All forms of cannibalism are against God's law.
Nic
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Endo does mean within as I used it as well.
Yes.
The figure Symbol does not mean it is nothing. By definition, a symbol is a substitution. A symbol symbolizes what is symbolized, and what is symbolized is not nothing.
The fact is that it isn't the figure Symbol, but the figure Metaphor which means that Jesus is pointing out that the bread in his hands "represents" his body which sustains them just like the bread that came down from heaven and sustained Israel in the wilderness.
The reality is that Christ is what sustains us, not mere literal bread.
Nic
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Not fact. Intellectual honesty would humbly declare opinion of the scriptures.
Only in your opinion is it an "undoubted metaphor". To billions of orthodox believing Christians around the world it isn't. For over 2000 years the two major Christian faith's (The Latin Rite and the Eastern Orthodox) have taught this to be the truth, the truth about a Christian dogma that comes directly from God. We are not confused about this, we are not lacking in faith about this - you are.
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Nic
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Sure that of course and the opponents and who would post here, myself inclusive, what about you? Are you on board?
Yes, Christ is who sustains us, both spiritually and literally via the Holy Sacrament of Communion.
False. I'm relying upon not only the definition of the figure, but to the usage in the biblical texts which I also provided for your edification.
Billions of Christians could believe the earth is flat, but that doesn't make it so.
A persistent delusion is still a delusion.
God is not the author of confusion, and when an author intentionally deviates from the laws of language, he is doing so to make a point. Ignoring the author's intentions is a sure way to come up with false doctrines and dogmas.
You can't even be bothered to address what I posted.
Your faith doesn't allow you to mount a defense. You're incapable of addressing my argument.
I don't need the faith of a mustard seed to refute you. I only need rely upon the truth which you don't seem to recognize.
Oh your opinion again. It is not literal body and blood, so you have nothing at all. If it was then there should be thousands of dead priests.
What makes them Christian? they aren't of God, don't teach the truth of His word... your church saves no one, nor does water baptism. only belief in one's heart in the shed blood of His sacrifice does that.
A Symbol cannot be a figure of speech and literal as well. Symbols are signs, and when one hits a pedestrian crossing sign, they are not literally hitting the pedestrians symbolized in the sign. They will not be charged with vehicular manslaughter.
Signs or symbols are substitutions, but a pedestrian crossing sign does not literally provide a substitution for yet another pedestrian crossing sign. They are a substitution for actual crosswalks up ahead that may have actual pedestrians in them.
You're playing fast and loose with figures of speech with nothing to back up this belief of yours. If we can all do this, then we can take Peter's vision and say that he is literally telling us to "kill and eat" gentiles which is what are being symbolized in his vision. We know this because he informs Cornelius of this revelation as soon as he visits him.
He tells Cornelius' household that he is no longer to refer to gentiles as unclean. They are now acceptable as food to be eaten. See how that works? We can do this all day, and come up with all sorts of interesting conclusions by taking figures of speech and using them literally as well. What's to stop us once we get started?