Covenant of grace

Theo1689

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Im asking questions to see if we could have fellowshipped about it, but I see that wont be happening no time soon. You need to learn some vital truths, and you not listening to me ! I will just post my input as time goes by and maybe you will learn something.

It's funny how you refuse to answer anyone's questions, but you DEMAND they answer your questions. Exactly who do you think you are?!

No wonder I've got you (and your "cheerleader" personality sock-puppet) on "ignore".
 

Carbon

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Only Jesus through the Holy Spirit reveals truth.

Are you claiming to be a teacher sent by Jesus ?
Well he seems like the answer man. I think he expects everyone to fall in line, single file, while class is in session
 

Carbon

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It's funny how you refuse to answer anyone's questions, but you DEMAND they answer your questions. Exactly who do you think you are?!

No wonder I've got you (and your "cheerleader" personality sock-puppet) on "ignore".
Your not falling in line Theo!
 

Carbon

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Well he seems like the answer man. I think he expects everyone to fall in line, single file, while class is in session
Don’t question anything either. Just stand and watch scripture, Christians and the churches destroyed. That’s what those hyper-anti-calvinists do!
 

Carbon

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Don’t question anything either. Just stand and watch scripture, Christians and the churches destroyed. That’s what those hyper-anti-calvinists do!
Lesson for today: everyone of the elect were saved during the covenant of redemption, so they are eternally saved already and redemption need not be applied, from God’s and from mans perspective, none of the elect are born with original sin but clean and holy, we don’t need to proclaim the gospel because God will get his elect without our help. And don’t answer anyone’s questions because they couldn’t possibly understand the deep hidden truths.
 
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Lesson for today: everyone of the elect were saved during the covenant of redemption, so they are eternally saved already and redemption need not be applied, from God’s and from mans perspective, none of the elect are born with original sin but clean and holy, we don’t need to proclaim the gospel because God will get his elect without our help. And don’t answer anyone’s questions because they couldn’t possibly understand the derp hidden truths.
Who wood ah thunk dat
 

brightfame52

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If one understood the covenant of grace, it would be perceived to be made in eternity amongst the Godhead, and at which time Christ became a surety for the sins of Gods Elect, so at that time the condemnation of the elect which they would incur in Adam and in themselves would be charged to the Surety of the covenant, and God would look for Justice and satisfaction from Him and not them, hence by that arrangement alone the elect were Justified from their sin and condemnation before the foundation, not in themselves, but in their Surety.
 
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If one understood the covenant of grace, it would be perceived to be made in eternity amongst the Godhead, and at which time Christ became a surety for the sins of Gods Elect, so at that time the condemnation of the elect which they would incur in Adam and in themselves would be charged to the Surety of the covenant, and God would look for Justice and satisfaction from Him and not them, hence by that arrangement alone the elect were Justified from their sin and condemnation before the foundation, not in themselves, but in their Surety.
What is grace ?
What is a covenant ?
 

Carbon

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If one understood the covenant of grace, it would be perceived to be made in eternity amongst the Godhead, and at which time Christ became a surety for the sins of Gods Elect, so at that time the condemnation of the elect which they would incur in Adam and in themselves would be charged to the Surety of the covenant, and God would look for Justice and satisfaction from Him and not them, hence by that arrangement alone the elect were Justified from their sin and condemnation before the foundation, not in themselves, but in their Surety.
If one understands the covenant of redemption, it would be clear that God the Father chose an elect, the Son volunteered to atone for their sins, and the Holy Spirit will gather the elect.

This was finished by Christ alone, and He alone applies all the benefits to the elect at the chosen time.

until the elect are regenerated they like the rest by nature were children of wrath.

though this was the agreement in eternity between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit it is a guarantee and will infallibly be carried out. Christ said, of all the Father had given Him, He will loose none. So as far as God is concerned, it is finished.

But according to working His predetermined plan to us who are subject to time, it is accomplished in time. It’s obvious because scripture is very clear about it.

So in eternity the elect are redeemed; in time Christ told us at the cross, “It is finished”
And the Holy Spirit continues to gather the elect.

Redemption is applied in time.
 
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Carbon

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If one understood the covenant of grace, it would be perceived to be made in eternity amongst the Godhead, and at which time Christ became a surety for the sins of Gods Elect, so at that time the condemnation of the elect which they would incur in Adam and in themselves would be charged to the Surety of the covenant, and God would look for Justice and satisfaction from Him and not them, hence by that arrangement alone the elect were Justified from their sin and condemnation before the foundation, not in themselves, but in their Surety.
This is a reason the anti-calvinists don’t feel the need to proclaim the gospel. There really is no need to.
This is a reason for many professed Christians
being destroyed and divided.
And this is a reason so many Christian churches are destroyed.
 

brightfame52

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If one understands the covenant of redemption, it would be clear that God the Father chose an elect, the Son volunteered to atone for their sins, and the Holy Spirit will gather the elect.

This was finished by Christ alone, and He alone applies all the benefits to the elect at the chosen time.

until the elect are regenerated they like the rest by nature were children of wrath.

though this was the agreement in eternity between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit it is a guarantee and will infallibly be carried out. Christ said, of all the Father had given Him, He will loose none. So as far as God is concerned, it is finished.

But according to working His predetermined plan to us who are subject to time, it is accomplished in time. It’s obvious because scripture is very clear about it.

So in eternity the elect are redeemed; in time Christ told us at the cross, “It is finished”
And the Holy Spirit continues to gather the elect.

Redemption is applied in time.
So when were the sins of the elect charged to them and not Christ in the covenant of grace ?
 

brightfame52

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This is a reason the anti-calvinists don’t feel the need to proclaim the gospel. There really is no need to.
This is a reason for many professed Christians
being destroyed and divided.
And this is a reason so many Christian churches are destroyed.
When were the sins of the elect charged to them considering the covenant of grace setup before the foundation ?
 
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When were the sins of the elect charged to them considering the covenant of grace setup before the foundation ?
Until you practice what you preach I doubt anyone is going to reciprocate.

When you start answering our questions I doubt yours will be answered anytime soon.

As they say “ what’s good for the goose is good for the gander “

hope this helps !!!
 

Theo1689

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If one understands the covenant of redemption, it would be clear that God the Father chose an elect, the Son volunteered to atone for their sins, and the Holy Spirit will gather the elect.

In Calvinism, the persons of the Trinity are working in unison, all to accomplish the same goal for the same group of people.

In Arminianism, the persons of the Trinity are working at cross purposes, each with their own goal for a different group of people.

Not to say that this is our starting point for determining truth (it isn't), but when the Bible teaches Calvinism, it's a nice confirming point.

until the elect are regenerated they like the rest by nature were children of wrath.

.... which is precisely why the "patience" spoken of in 2 Pet. 3:9, which is why Jesus is waiting for the last of the elect to be regenerated, before He returns, so that NONE of the elect will perish.
 

Carbon

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In Calvinism, the persons of the Trinity are working in unison, all to accomplish the same goal for the same group of people.

In Arminianism, the persons of the Trinity are working at cross purposes, each with their own goal for a different group of people.

Not to say that this is our starting point for determining truth (it isn't), but when the Bible teaches Calvinism, it's a nice confirming point.



.... which is precisely why the "patience" spoken of in 2 Pet. 3:9, which is why Jesus is waiting for the last of the elect to be regenerated, before He returns, so that NONE of the elect will perish.
Amen to that!
 

Carbon

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When were the sins of the elect charged to them considering the covenant of grace setup before the foundation ?
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life Titus 3:5-6
 

brightfame52

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As it regards the Eternal Covenant of Grace, and the Elects Justification before time and before Faith, God from everlasting premised on the suretyship engagement of the Lord Jesus Christ, that He would come in time, and satisfy Gods law and justice for the sins of His Chosen people, who would fall in Adam, it was Gods immutable will never to punish them for their sins. God had determined that the penalty of the law would not be inflicted upon them, but upon their Surety, so in Him they were Justified before God from the penalty of their sins.
 

brightfame52

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He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life Titus 3:5-6
All that is true, but you evaded the question sir. Why are you evasive ?

When were the sins of the elect charged to them considering the covenant of grace setup before the foundation ?
 

Carbon

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All that is true, but you evaded the question sir. Why are you evasive ?
You constantly avoid questions, why are you evasive?

I believe I have answered many of your questions, why not take your own advice and read through all my past reply’s?
 

brightfame52

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You constantly avoid questions, why are you evasive?

I believe I have answered many of your questions, why not take your own advice and read through all my past reply’s?
You have given insufficient evasive answers, like the previous one. I have answered most of your question's, so be honest.

When were the sins of the elect charged to them considering the covenant of grace setup before the foundation ?
 
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