rossum
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Some advice. Don't set up shop as a mind reader. You will lose a lot of money. Stick with the day job.
DaGeo's flood of "proofs and evidence for creation"
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TeabagSalad
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And with one sentence you demonstrate that you know nothing about biology. Well done.
And I return the compliment.
Other than that, we hardly share similarities. For instance, you not only cling to your belief in evolution mythology but you try tagging it to science.
You’ve successfully and credulously absorbed everything they’ve told you to believe, well done
But you cannot show they are false, merely assert that they are. Your uninformed opinion really does not count for much around here DaGeo.
Evolution is a huge part of mainstream biology, which certainly is a branch of science.
Why not?
Another uninformed opinion presented as an article of faith.
Can you give examples of that? Can you say why TeaBagSalad is wrong? Of course not.
Another uninformed opinion presented as an article of faith.
Wrong. Evolution is a huge part of biology.
Outside the US, evolution is taught as part of the biology curriculum at school
This is what 10 to 11 your old kids are taught in the UK
Year 6: Evolution and inheritance | STEM
List of biology courses an an Indian university, including evolution.
Courses (Biology)
To contribute to the realisation of a just, equitable, humane and sustainable society.
azimpremjiuniversity.edu.in
However much you might wish otherwise, evolution is part of biology. Another uninformed opinion presented as an article of faith.
And yet it looks to me like you blindly believe what you are told to believe.
So we see.
Pixie, I leave here for just a few days and look at the mess you’ve left me with. But never mind that, I’ll clean up your messes myself.
I most certainly can show why some are false just like I continue to show evolution as false.
You wouldn’t understand an uninformed opinion even it greeted you in the form of Charles Darwin
That’s what I’ve been so patiently trying to reason with you about. Just because something is mainstream, doesn’t logically and automatically make it true. Lots of obsolete “sciences” were at one time believed by the masses.
In addition to that, nearly the entire scientific establishment has been hijacked by very devout Secular Humanists. Of course, you bet, they will claim evolution is a branch of science—and you believe them
Besides, you’re confusing science with opinion. Evolution between species has never been observed empirically in any scientific lab or by any serious scientific investigation. Therefore, evolution merely resides in the furtive imagination of a religious humanist
Fine! So you just don’t like contrary facts
Haven’t you been reading and understanding my posts and the posts of others here? Obviously not
Can you show why you believe my opinions are uninformed? Of course not
You have yet to demonstrate that evolution is a huge part of biology. All you do is quote like minded Secular Humanists as your proof
Once again, your enfeebled view makes the majority opinion right. But then again, that’s all you haveOutside the US, evolution is taught as part of the biology curriculum at school
This is what 10 to 11 your old kids are taught in the UK
Year 6: Evolution and inheritance | STEM
www.stem.org.uk
List of biology courses an an Indian university, including evolution.
Courses (Biology)
To contribute to the realisation of a just, equitable, humane and sustainable society.
However much you might wish otherwise, evolution is part of biology. Another uninformed opinion presented as an article of faith.
Sadly, history is strewn throughout with obsolete majority views once embraced by establishment elitists.
I think you must view the future with certain anxiety. You subconsciously anticipate the day when the younger incoming scientific establishment will definitively declare evolution a myth once and for all and will render it to the historical scrap heap of obsolescence.
Looks are so deceiving. Case in point, to you evolution looks real
You don’t see
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Gus Bovona
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What would it look like, in your opinion, if someone could demonstrate that evolution is a huge part of biology, hypothetically? What evidence would they need to show to make that case?
Hey Gus, thanks for checking in
Now that’s a very good question
I would say it’s impossible to demonstrate evolution because it’s just another myth or worse yet—a hoax—or both
But let’s suppose it were possible to demonstrate evolution, what would that look like?
To start with, maybe a series of translational fossil forms that clearly demonstrate evolution in progression—like a frog evolving into different species, something simple like that.
Gus Bovona
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I was talking about demonstrating that evolution was a huge part of biology, not demonstrating evolution.Hey Gus, thanks for checking in
Now that’s a very good question
I would say it’s impossible to demonstrate evolution because it’s just another myth or worse yet—a hoax—or both
But let’s suppose it were possible to demonstrate evolution, what would that look like?
To start with, maybe a series of translational fossil forms that clearly demonstrate evolution in progression—like a frog evolving into different species, something simple like that.
What on earth are you talking about? Do you honestly think you know more about this than we do?
I have read numerous posts from you, and there is nothing of substance in any of them. There is nothing to suggest you know the first thing about biology. Nothing to suggest you have one jot of evidence to support your position.
The mess is entirely of your own creating, DaGeo.
So why not do so? Where is the substance, daGeo? As usual you are full of talk, but have nothing of substance.
Being mainstream science makes it far more likely to be true than if it is rejected by mainstream science.
A theory in biology that is accepted as true by over 99% of biologists is far more likely to be true than a theory that is rejected by over 99% of biologists.
Merely saying there is a tiny, teeny chance they are wrong is really not going to count for much until you can offer some reason to should the experts are wrong.
Your evidence for that is what?In addition to that, nearly the entire scientific establishment has been hijacked by very devout Secular Humanists. Of course, you bet, they will claim evolution is a branch of science—and you believe them
Right now it sounds like a paranoid delusion. While there is a higher than normal fraction of atheists in science, there are still large numbers of Christians, as well as theists of other religions. That alone makes you claim nonsense.
It is a fact that evolution is a part of mainstream science.
Science works by inference. That evolution happened is inferred from the overwhelming evidence.
That is why over 99% of biologists have the opinion that evolution is true.
We will never know, because you are apparently incapable of finding any.
What is to understand?
It is your opinion that evolution is not science, but you have no evidence to support that.
It is your opinion that he entire scientific establishment has been hijacked by very devout Secular Humanists, but you have no evidence to support that.
Have I missed anything?
Because you are unable to support any of them.
Take a look at Ken Miller's web page. He is a Christian who argues vehemently for evolution.
Ken Miller's Evolution Page
www.millerandlevine.com
You should also learn about the Clergy Letter Project.
Clergy Letter Project - Wikipedia
Actually it is a small part of what I have. And it is something you do not have.
The vast majority of experts in this subject agree with me, and disagree with you. They do so because of the evidence.
Which is why again and again you fail to produce any evidence to support your claims.
Sure, and creationism is one of them. For some reason, however, some still cling to it.
This looks like projection to me. It does look as though Christianity is in decline.
Evolution, on the other hand, is getting ever stronger.
I never claimed to know more about biology but when you tag your the evolution hoax to biology that’s when you part with objective science. Either you stick with science or you don’t. You can’t have it both ways. Evolution is simply an abject hoax that’s been perpetrated onto the scientific community by religious secular humanist.
Please don’t saddle me with the creation of the evolution hoax, I don’t deserve the credit
You don’t want to hear. Your responses to other posters and myself clearly prove your mind is closed.
Once again, another fallacious majority appeal. Seems to be your best argument. If you were here in the heyday of flat earth cosmology, you would no doubt make the same appeal to the majority because that’s what the establishment kept telling people to believe.
Fallacy appeal to the majority—let’s see what number is this one?
There’s no tiny teeny chance they are wrong. They’re more wrong than all the other “scientific” hoaxes combined
Plenty of information on the forums here that you keep ignoring. Maybe too painful for you, I understand
Yes, I fear for the children who are being indoctrinated
Lots of “Christians” believe silly things. How does that move your argument forward?
The fact you keep regressing to fallacious argumentation proves you’re losing ground. Evolution is a hoax but it’s the best thing going for secular humanist God haters
What overwhelming inference?? majority appeal? ok if you say so
Ask yourself how many times you’ve inadvertently appealed to the band wagon fallacy—in just this post? The bandwagon fallacy takes place when you appeal to the majority to validate your beliefs
Of course I have evidence for that and you have the same evidence but you quickly dismiss the possibly
Make a list
You can led a humanist to school but you can’t make ‘em think
How does a confused clergy help you?Take a look at Ken Miller's web page. He is a Christian who argues vehemently for evolution.
Ken Miller's Evolution Page
www.millerandlevine.com
You should also learn about the Clergy Letter Project.
Clergy Letter Project - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I’m on the edge of my seat, can’t wait to see more
Chalk that point up, another bandwagon fallacy
You wouldn’t recognize evidence if it came directly to you in the form of Charles Darwin
I waiting for you to find at least one scientific fact against it.
Another backward appeal to the bandwagon fallacy. You must not be keeping count.
But yes, I agree, Christianity is on the decline and has been for some time. But belief in the true God was seriously on the decline before the Great Flood in Noah’s day but that didn’t prove belief in God was a lie
For the present, I think you might be right
It is a fact that evolution is part of mainstream science. You are quite simply wrong here.
As I have pointed out numerous times over 99% of biologists believe evolution is true. That does not prove evolution is true (though it makes that far more likely than if it false), but it prove that evolution is science.
That is just an excuse for not delivering evidence to support your claims.
Wrong.
Firstly, I am appealing to the majority of the experts. This is something you repeatedly ignore. It is over 99% of biologists who accept that evolution is true. If this was the hey day of flat earth cosmology, I would be pointing out that the experts say the world is round.
Secondly there is a huge amount of evidence for evolution from biochemistry (for example, comparing amino acid sequences and the vitamin C pseudogene), from the fossil record, from morphology, from genetics, from biogeography. You ignore all that evidence, just pretend I do not even mention it, so you can delude yourself that the above is my "best argument".
Thirdly, this is more than you have produced. If this was the only evidence I have to support my position, then it beats you because you have nothing. You steadfastly refuse to present any evidence, and therefore one piece of evidence on my part is enough to defeat you.
But all you have to support your opinion is repetition.
Where is the evidence, DaGeo?
You say an appeal to the majority of experts is my best argument, but that is far, far better than what you have.
Like what? Why can you not find it?
Read the threads, and you will likely find a post by me trashing the creationist arguments. Far from ignoring it, I have roundly refuted that nonsense before you even got here, DaGeo.
But you know that already, which is why you fail to link to this supposed "Plenty of information on the forums"
So do I. I presume that is what happened to you.
Try to think for yourself, DaGeo. Look at the evidence. If you find evidence for your position, present it. Be honest with yourself. If you cannot find that evidence, ask yourself why. The reason you cannot present evidence is because what you have is so weak it will just make you look even worse than no evidence at all.
You claimed "nearly the entire scientific establishment has been hijacked by very devout Secular Humanists."
The fact that most scientists are not atheists, and a large fraction are Christians, destroys your argument. It is just a paranoid delusion you have been told to believe. As you say "the children who are being indoctrinated". They are being indoctrinated to believe "nearly the entire scientific establishment has been hijacked by very devout Secular Humanists" when that is clearly not true, given the number of Christians, and other theists, in science.
You keep bringing it up, so I keep mentioning it. That does not mean it is the only, or best, argument for evolution. Far from it.
However, it does prove evolution is mainstream science, and that alone destroys one of your claims.
And you are so afraid of it being trashed you dare not even mention it?
Spoiler alert: Yes, you are.
Do you know how weak this makes your position look?
We will never know because it is clear you have none to offer.
Okay, chimp DNA is closer to human DNA than it is to gorilla DNA.
See here, for example:
Tiny Genetic Differences between Humans and Other Primates Pervade the Genome
Genome comparisons reveal the DNA that distinguishes Homo sapiens from its kin
I never said that. I pointed out that your claim that evolution is in decline is likely projection because, as you concede, Christianity is in decline.
I earlier said:
Great, you admit "the day when the younger incoming scientific establishment will definitively declare evolution a myth once and for all and will render it to the historical scrap heap of obsolescence" is just nonsense. Another of your claims exposed as nonsense.