Daniel 12:12

Kade Rystalmane

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Daniel 12:12 - "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."

On the 10th day in the month of Av, 3831, the Temple at Jerusalem fell. (August 5th, 70 AD)
On the 15th day in the month of Nissan, 3835, Masada fell ending the Jewish-Roman war. (March 31, 74 AD)

The total number of days is 1335.
 

Keraz

Member
I regard any time period of 1260, 1290, and 1335 days, before now as just a fluke.
Obviously the events as described in Revelation have not happened yet.

We await the final 1260 day period, when the 'beast', the Anti-Christ; will take world control. Revelation 13:5-8 The faithful Christians will be kept in a place of safety then; Revelation 12:14

Then Jesus will Return and then 30 days later we will make Atonement, then 75 days later, the Temple will be re-dedicated. The exact time between the Feast of Tabernacles and Hanukkah.
 

Kade Rystalmane

Well-known member
I regard any time period of 1260, 1290, and 1335 days, before now as just a fluke.
Obviously the events as described in Revelation have not happened yet.

We await the final 1260 day period, when the 'beast', the Anti-Christ; will take world control. Revelation 13:5-8 The faithful Christians will be kept in a place of safety then; Revelation 12:14

Then Jesus will Return and then 30 days later we will make Atonement, then 75 days later, the Temple will be re-dedicated. The exact time between the Feast of Tabernacles and Hanukkah.
Another who struggles with the phrases "shortly come to pass", "the time is at hand", and "quickly" I see.
 

Keraz

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Another who struggles with the phrases "shortly come to pass", "the time is at hand", and "quickly" I see.
But your preterist views simply do not wash. Nothing in Revelation from Rev 6:12, relates to the past 2000 years.
Things will 'shortly come to pass', and the 'time will be at hand', when the 'fig tree buds', that is: when the House of Judah becomes a nation in the holy Land. Within the lifetime of those alive at that time.
'Quickly', refers to how the events will come suddenly and surprising all who have failed to understand Gods plans.
Daniel 12:12 - "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."

On the 10th day in the month of Av, 3831, the Temple at Jerusalem fell. (August 5th, 70 AD)
On the 15th day in the month of Nissan, 3835, Masada fell ending the Jewish-Roman war. (March 31, 74 AD)

The total number of days is 1335.
This idea is ridiculous. Who was 'Blessed' when Masada fell?
Anyway the final end to the Jewish-Roman war, was not until 135 AD, when Hadrian flattened Jerusalem.
 

Kade Rystalmane

Well-known member
But your preterist views simply do not wash. Nothing in Revelation from Rev 6:12, relates to the past 2000 years.
Peter disagrees with you. (Acts 2:16-20).

Rev. 6:12, as with all of Revelation was 1st century.

At the breaking of the sixth seal there are a number of things that are envisioned. These images are taken straight out of the Old Testament Prophets. Isaiah 13:10; Ezekiel 32:7; Daniel 8:10; Joel 2:10; Joel 3:15; etc.
Things will 'shortly come to pass', and the 'time will be at hand', when the 'fig tree buds', that is: when the House of Judah becomes a nation in the holy Land. Within the lifetime of those alive at that time.
This is millennialist eisegesis. It requires you to put meaning into the scriptures instead of letting them interpret themselves.
'Quickly', refers to how the events will come suddenly and surprising all who have failed to understand Gods plans.
Then John's plea in 22:20 makes no sense.
This idea is ridiculous. Who was 'Blessed' when Masada fell?
The Christians. They no longer had to contend with the persecution by the Jews, the spiritual Egypt.
Anyway the final end to the Jewish-Roman war, was not until 135 AD, when Hadrian flattened Jerusalem.
Totally different event separated by decades. Nobody but millennialists connect the two wars.
 

Keraz

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Peter disagrees with you. (Acts 2:16-20).

Rev. 6:12, as with all of Revelation was 1st century.

At the breaking of the sixth seal there are a number of things that are envisioned. These images are taken straight out of the Old Testament Prophets. Isaiah 13:10; Ezekiel 32:7; Daniel 8:10; Joel 2:10; Joel 3:15; etc.
Acts 2:16-20 has not been fulfilled yet. Only a small precursor was. Proved by how God's Spirit was not poured upon all mankind, then.

Most of the OT Prophets, are about events for the end times, We have not had anything like what is so often and clearly described.
When was the sun darkened and the moon as bright as the sun? Isaiah 30:26a
Then John's plea in 22:20 makes no sense.
It does to me. Many other prophesies say how the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath will strike suddenly and be all over after one day.
The Christians. They no longer had to contend with the persecution by the Jews, the spiritual Egypt.
Joke! The Christians then had the terrible persecution of Nero and all the horrible martyrdom then. After that, the Roman Catholic Church had no compunctions about cruelly killing anyone who didn't kowtow to the Pope. Now: Muslims behead Christians.
Totally different event separated by decades. Nobody but millennialists connect the two wars.
The final destruction of Jerusalem in 135 AD, by Emperor Hadrian's orders, marks the end of the Roman/ Jewish war.
That was when all the Jews were forcibly exiled from the Land of Israel.

Your beliefs, KR; contradict much scripture and it leaves you without any clues of what God actually has planned for the future of His People.
 

Truth7t7

Active member
Then Jesus will Return and then 30 days later we will make Atonement, then 75 days later, the Temple will be re-dedicated. The exact time between the Feast of Tabernacles and Hanukkah.
Your claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" is false, he warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as you and many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 

Keraz

Member
Your claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" is false, he warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as you and many claim
This statement is totally wrong.
Acts 1:11.... Jesus will come back in a similar way as He departed....
Zechariah 14:4 The Lord will stand on the Mount of Olives.....
Matthew 24:30, Rev 1:7. Rev 19:11 and many others prove that Jesus will physically Return the this earth.

There will be a 'beast', a man, who will gain world control for 42 months. Revelation 13:5-8 But Jesus will Return and chain him up. Rev 19:11-21
 

Truth7t7

Active member
This statement is totally wrong.
Acts 1:11.... Jesus will come back in a similar way as He departed....
Zechariah 14:4 The Lord will stand on the Mount of Olives.....
Matthew 24:30, Rev 1:7. Rev 19:11 and many others prove that Jesus will physically Return the this earth.

There will be a 'beast', a man, who will gain world control for 42 months. Revelation 13:5-8 But Jesus will Return and chain him up. Rev 19:11-21
Jesus Christ Won't Be On This Earth Participating In A Millennial Kingdom As You Have Claimed

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 
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Keraz

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The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned,
Wrong. The 'beast'; Anti-Christ, will conquer Jerusalem by force;
Daniel 8:23-26 In the last days, when sin is most prevalent, a powerful leader will arise. He will succeed in whatever he does, and will take control of the mighty nations and of God’s holy people. By cunning and deceit, his plans will come about and cause great harm to many when they least expect it. He will challenge even the Prince of Princes, but then will be broken, but not by human hand.

This prophecy tells of events to happen in the distant future.

Daniel 7:23-25 The explanation given is: There will be a 4th kingdom, one that will encompass the whole earth. Initially ten rulers will govern it, but another leader will take over all this kingdom. He will defy the Most High God and will conquer the holy ones of God.

Revelation 13:7 The ‘beast’ is allowed to wage war on God’s people and to defeat them…. Zechariah 14:1-2

He will sit in the Temple and claim to be God. 2 Thess 2:4 Jesus will defeat him when He Returns, 1260 days after that. Daniel 9:27
 

Truth7t7

Active member
Wrong. The 'beast'; Anti-Christ, will conquer Jerusalem by force;
Daniel 8:23-26 In the last days, when sin is most prevalent, a powerful leader will arise. He will succeed in whatever he does, and will take control of the mighty nations and of God’s holy people. By cunning and deceit, his plans will come about and cause great harm to many when they least expect it. He will challenge even the Prince of Princes, but then will be broken, but not by human hand.

This prophecy tells of events to happen in the distant future.

Daniel 7:23-25 The explanation given is: There will be a 4th kingdom, one that will encompass the whole earth. Initially ten rulers will govern it, but another leader will take over all this kingdom. He will defy the Most High God and will conquer the holy ones of God.

Revelation 13:7 The ‘beast’ is allowed to wage war on God’s people and to defeat them…. Zechariah 14:1-2

He will sit in the Temple and claim to be God. 2 Thess 2:4 Jesus will defeat him when He Returns, 1260 days after that. Daniel 9:27
Jesus Christ Has "Warned" His Followers Against Your Teaching, Reader "Beware"!

Jesus Christ Won't Be On This Earth Anywhere, Participating In A Millennial Kingdom As You Have Claimed

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth" Beware!

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 

Kade Rystalmane

Well-known member
Acts 2:16-20 has not been fulfilled yet. Only a small precursor was. Proved by how God's Spirit was not poured upon all mankind, then.
Peter declares that it was being fulfilled right before their eyes. You don't have the authority to contradict him. Yes, God's Spirit was poured upon all mankind. On the Jews at Pentecost and on the Gentiles in Acts 10.
Most of the OT Prophets, are about events for the end times,
Almost all of them, I would argue. But the "last days" of Israel, not the last days of the universe.
We have not had anything like what is so often and clearly described.
When was the sun darkened and the moon as bright as the sun? Isaiah 30:26a
In apocalyptic texts, celestial bodies like the sun and moon represent leaders such as the king of Israel, the high priest, etc. (e.g. Isa. 1:2, 10) Thus, the sun being darkened, as Peter said was happening then, was the end of the Herodian line of kings when Herod Agrippa II fled Jerusalem during the Zealot uprising in 66 AD. He was the last king of Israel/the Jews. The moon turning to blood was the death of the high priest, Ananus son of Ananus, during 68 AD.

Jesus (Yeshua), the Son of God, was King and High Priest under the New Covenant which began at the cross. Once the wicked Jews were overthrown (which is what Isaiah 30 is talking about) then the New Jerusalem was left as the only spiritual power that had its source in God. We read in Revelation how there was no need of the sun because Jesus was now the Sun (King) and as High Priest, He would also be considered the Moon and able to give light as the Sun because they are essentially the same person.
It does to me. Many other prophesies say how the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath will strike suddenly and be all over after one day.
Great. You aren't the standard of authority. Scripture is. John's primary readers in the first century would not have understood it your way and it would have made no sense to them when viewed in that manner. It is in answer to the question by the martyrs under the altar "how long?" The answer was "quickly" meaning "soon".
Joke! The Christians then had the terrible persecution of Nero and all the horrible martyrdom then. After that, the Roman Catholic Church had no compunctions about cruelly killing anyone who didn't kowtow to the Pope. Now: Muslims behead Christians.
Actually, Nero died before the Jewish persecution ended and his persecution was limited to Rome at best. The RCC isn't in view in scripture because Israel was already removed per OT prophecy and the church of Christ fully established. Neither is Islam. Yes, both of those groups do persecute Christians, but they do so outside of the establishment period of the church and thus outside of the reference time for the writings of the NT.

These are beside the point anyway since I said they "no longer had to contend with the persecution by the Jews, the spiritual Egypt." The RCC, Islam, Nero, atheists, etc. aren't "Jews, the spiritual Egypt" and so do not pertain to my comment.
The final destruction of Jerusalem in 135 AD, by Emperor Hadrian's orders, marks the end of the Roman/ Jewish war.
That was when all the Jews were forcibly exiled from the Land of Israel.
No. The Jewish-Roman war in view in scripture that was during the establishment period of the church ended in 74 AD. The remnants of the Jews almost 2 generations later that fought again have no bearing on the church. The Temple had already been destroyed and the Jews weren't persecuting Christians anymore. The Bar Kokhba Revolt was not the same war and had no relationship to Christianity at all.
Your beliefs, KR; contradict much scripture and it leaves you without any clues of what God actually has planned for the future of His People.
This is a baseless assertion. My beliefs do not contradict a single scripture, only your millennial eisegesis of them.
 

Beloved Daughter

Super Member
Wrong. The 'beast'; Anti-Christ, will conquer Jerusalem by force;
Daniel 8:23-26 In the last days, when sin is most prevalent, a powerful leader will arise. He will succeed in whatever he does, and will take control of the mighty nations and of God’s holy people. By cunning and deceit, his plans will come about and cause great harm to many when they least expect it. He will challenge even the Prince of Princes, but then will be broken, but not by human hand.

This prophecy tells of events to happen in the distant future.

Daniel 7:23-25 The explanation given is: There will be a 4th kingdom, one that will encompass the whole earth. Initially ten rulers will govern it, but another leader will take over all this kingdom. He will defy the Most High God and will conquer the holy ones of God.

Revelation 13:7 The ‘beast’ is allowed to wage war on God’s people and to defeat them…. Zechariah 14:1-2

He will sit in the Temple and claim to be God. 2 Thess 2:4 Jesus will defeat him when He Returns, 1260 days after that. Daniel 9:27
Why are you promoting this nonsense. In the words of Jesus Christ

Matthew 24:36-51

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Jesus has spoken, why don't you believe him?

Are you trying to resurrect Harold Camping, Charles Taze Russell, Elllen G.? They are all dead and they won't be coming back, heretics all.
 

Keraz

Member
Why are you promoting this nonsense. In the words of Jesus Christ
Almost all of my post #10, is scripture.
My comment about the AC conquering the holy people and Jerusalem, is confirmed by Zechariah 14:1-2.

Yes: no one knows the Day the Lord will take action. But we can know what He will use and the results of it. Then our role in the rest of the end time events.
Your objections are invalid and have no Biblical support.

Kade R; We will soon see how the end times will unfold.
Iran will try to attack Israel with nuke missiles. That will call forth the wrath of the Lord. Ezekiel 7:14
 
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Kade Rystalmane

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Almost all of my post #10, is scripture.
My comment about the AC conquering the holy people and Jerusalem, is confirmed by Zechariah 14:1-2.

Yes: no one knows the Day the Lord will take action. But we can know what He will use and the results of it. Then our role in the rest of the end time events.
Your objections are invalid and have no Biblical support.

Kade R; We will soon see how the end times will unfold.
Iran will try to attack Israel with nuke missiles. That will call forth the wrath of the Lord. Ezekiel 7:14
Okay, but if it doesn't happen by the year 2100, you owe me a steak dinner. :D
 

Truth7t7

Active member
Why are you promoting this nonsense. In the words of Jesus Christ

Matthew 24:36-51​

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Jesus has spoken, why don't you believe him?

Are you trying to resurrect Harold Camping, Charles Taze Russell, Elllen G.? They are all dead and they won't be coming back, heretics all.
No man knows the day or hour, but the "Season" is clearly explained by the signs seen in Luke 21:25-28 below

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
 

Beloved Daughter

Super Member
No man knows the day or hour, but the "Season" is clearly explained by the signs seen in Luke 21:25-28 below

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
C'mon my friend, you know full well that there have been eclipsis, etc., shooting stars, earthquakes, exploding volcanoes, tidal waves These things have been described by the theory of plate tectonics. There have been wars and rumors of war even before Jesus came. The Bible teaches these things will happen, and we know that they do. But is no more descriptive than that.

We shouldn't try to force our thoughts upon the teachings in the Bible.

A huge solar event will happen on June 10th of this year.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonnenfinsternis_vom_10._Juni_2021 (You may have to automatically translate from German to English.)

God Speed
 

Beloved Daughter

Super Member
Almost all of my post #10, is scripture.
My comment about the AC conquering the holy people and Jerusalem, is confirmed by Zechariah 14:1-2.

Yes: no one knows the Day the Lord will take action. But we can know what He will use and the results of it. Then our role in the rest of the end time events.
Your objections are invalid and have no Biblical support.

Kade R; We will soon see how the end times will unfold.
Iran will try to attack Israel with nuke missiles. That will call forth the wrath of the Lord. Ezekiel 7:14

This known as kitchen sink theology, I'll find a verse that proves x,y,and/or z.
 

Truth7t7

Active member
C'mon my friend, you know full well that there have been eclipsis, etc., shooting stars, earthquakes, exploding volcanoes, tidal waves These things have been described by the theory of plate tectonics. There have been wars and rumors of war even before Jesus came. The Bible teaches these things will happen, and we know that they do. But is no more descriptive than that.

We shouldn't try to force our thoughts upon the teachings in the Bible.

A huge solar event will happen on June 10th of this year.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonnenfinsternis_vom_10._Juni_2021 (You may have to automatically translate from German to English.)

God Speed
Gods words of instruction to the Church below, from the mouth of Jesus Christ himself, and your not mightier than he :)

No man knows the day or hour, but the "Season" is clearly explained by the signs seen below "Summer Is Nigh"

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Matthew 24:32-33KJV
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
 
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Beloved Daughter

Super Member
Gods words of instruction to the Church below, from the mouth of Jesus Christ himself, and your not mightier than he :)

No man knows the day or hour, but the "Season" is clearly explained by the signs seen below "Summer Is Nigh"

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Matthew 24:32-33KJV
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

So, it is a fact that all of these things have already happened and will continue to happen, your argument is dead in the water. The Bible is never wrong, people are.
 
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