Daniel goat

[Lee Magee]

Daniel 5:29
Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.

MT
באדין אמר בלשאצר והלבישו לדניאל ארגונא והמונכא די־דהבא על־צוארה והכרזו עלוהי די־להוא שליט תלתא במלכותא
LXX
καὶ εἶπεν Βαλτασαρ καὶ ἐνέδυσαν τὸν Δανιηλ πορφύραν καὶ τὸν μανιάκην τὸν χρυσοῦν περιέθηκαν περὶ τὸν τράχηλον αὐτοῦ καὶ ἐκήρυξεν περὶ αὐτοῦ εἶναι αὐτὸν ἄρχοντα τρίτον ἐν τῇ βασιλείᾳ

באדין - ἔπειτεν ; thereupon, thereafter, then
אמר - ἐρῶ ; to tell, order one to do
הלביש - ἀμφιάζω ; to clothe
ארגונא - ἁλούργημα ; purple clothing
מונכא - μανιάκης ; necklace, worn of gold by Persians
צוארה - δειρή ; neck, throat
הכרז - κηρύσσω ; to proclaim, announce
שליט - βασιλεύς ; king, chief
מלכותא - βασιλεία ; kingdom

Genesis 41:42
Put a gold chain about his neck

MT
וישם רבד הזהב על־צוארו
LXX
περιέθηκεν κλοιὸν χρυσοῦν περὶ τὸν τράχηλον αὐτοῦ

רבד - στρεπτός ; a collar of twisted or linked metal
צואר - δειρή ; neck, throat

Xenophon, Anabasis 1.2.27
Κῦρος δὲ ἐκείνῳ δῶρα ἃ νομίζεται παρὰ βασιλεῖ τίμια, ἵππον χρυσοχάλινον καὶ στρεπτὸν χρυσοῦν καὶ ψέλια καὶ ἀκινάκην χρυσοῦν καὶ στολὴν Περσικήν
Cyrus gave him gifts which are regarded at court as tokens of honour—a horse with a gold-mounted bridle, a gold necklace and bracelets, a gold dagger and a Persian robe

Xenophon, Anabasis 1.5.8
στρεπτοὺς περὶ τοῖς τραχήλοις
necklaces around their necks

Xenophon, Anabasis 1.9.29
(Cyrus) wore a necklace and bracelets and all the other ornaments that the noblest Persians wear

Daniel 2:2
Then the king commanded to call the magicians, and the astrologers, and the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans, for to shew the king his dreams.

MT
ויאמר המלך לקרא לחרטמים ולאשפים ולמכשפים ולכשדים להגיד למלך חלמתיו
LXX
εἶπεν ὁ βασιλεὺς καλέσαι τοὺς ἐπαοιδοὺς καὶ τοὺς μάγους καὶ τοὺς φαρμακοὺς καὶ τοὺς Χαλδαίους τοῦ ἀναγγεῗλαι τῷ βασιλεῗ τὰ ἐνύπνια αὐτοῦ

חרטמים - χρήστων ; .one who gives or expounds oracles, prophet, soothsayer
אשפים - θεσπιστῶν ; prophets
מכשפים - θεσπιστῶν
כשדים - Χαλδαίων ; astrologers
חלמת - ὁράματα ; visions during sleep, dream

Herodotus 1.108
Having seen this vision, and communicated it to the interpreters of dreams, he sent to the Persians for his daughter, who was about to give birth, and when she arrived kept her guarded, meaning to kill whatever child (Cyrus) she bore: for the interpreters declared that the meaning of his dream was that his daughter's offspring would rule in his place.

Matthew 2:13
Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt,

ὀνειρόπολος ; interpeter of dreams

Herodotus 1.113
He gave his wife the child (Cyrus) whom he had brought to kill, and his own dead child he put into the chest in which he carried the other ... Then on the third day ... buried the cowherd's child.

The original Scapegoat

 

[Open Heart]

Daniel 5:29
Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.

MT
באדין אמר בלשאצר והלבישו לדניאל ארגונא והמונכא די־דהבא על־צוארה והכרזו עלוהי די־להוא שליט תלתא במלכותא
LXX
καὶ εἶπεν Βαλτασαρ καὶ ἐνέδυσαν τὸν Δανιηλ πορφύραν καὶ τὸν μανιάκην τὸν χρυσοῦν περιέθηκαν περὶ τὸν τράχηλον αὐτοῦ καὶ ἐκήρυξεν περὶ αὐτοῦ εἶναι αὐτὸν ἄρχοντα τρίτον ἐν τῇ βασιλείᾳ

באדין - ἔπειτεν ; thereupon, thereafter, then
אמר - ἐρῶ ; to tell, order one to do
הלביש - ἀμφιάζω ; to clothe
ארגונא - ἁλούργημα ; purple clothing
מונכא - μανιάκης ; necklace, worn of gold by Persians
צוארה - δειρή ; neck, throat
הכרז - κηρύσσω ; to proclaim, announce
שליט - βασιλεύς ; king, chief
מלכותא - βασιλεία ; kingdom

Genesis 41:42
Put a gold chain about his neck

MT
וישם רבד הזהב על־צוארו
LXX
περιέθηκεν κλοιὸν χρυσοῦν περὶ τὸν τράχηλον αὐτοῦ

רבד - στρεπτός ; a collar of twisted or linked metal
צואר - δειρή ; neck, throat

Xenophon, Anabasis 1.2.27
Κῦρος δὲ ἐκείνῳ δῶρα ἃ νομίζεται παρὰ βασιλεῖ τίμια, ἵππον χρυσοχάλινον καὶ στρεπτὸν χρυσοῦν καὶ ψέλια καὶ ἀκινάκην χρυσοῦν καὶ στολὴν Περσικήν
Cyrus gave him gifts which are regarded at court as tokens of honour—a horse with a gold-mounted bridle, a gold necklace and bracelets, a gold dagger and a Persian robe

Xenophon, Anabasis 1.5.8
στρεπτοὺς περὶ τοῖς τραχήλοις
necklaces around their necks

Xenophon, Anabasis 1.9.29
(Cyrus) wore a necklace and bracelets and all the other ornaments that the noblest Persians wear

Daniel 2:2
Then the king commanded to call the magicians, and the astrologers, and the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans, for to shew the king his dreams.

MT
ויאמר המלך לקרא לחרטמים ולאשפים ולמכשפים ולכשדים להגיד למלך חלמתיו
LXX
εἶπεν ὁ βασιλεὺς καλέσαι τοὺς ἐπαοιδοὺς καὶ τοὺς μάγους καὶ τοὺς φαρμακοὺς καὶ τοὺς Χαλδαίους τοῦ ἀναγγεῗλαι τῷ βασιλεῗ τὰ ἐνύπνια αὐτοῦ

חרטמים - χρήστων ; .one who gives or expounds oracles, prophet, soothsayer
אשפים - θεσπιστῶν ; prophets
מכשפים - θεσπιστῶν
כשדים - Χαλδαίων ; astrologers
חלמת - ὁράματα ; visions during sleep, dream

Herodotus 1.108
Having seen this vision, and communicated it to the interpreters of dreams, he sent to the Persians for his daughter, who was about to give birth, and when she arrived kept her guarded, meaning to kill whatever child (Cyrus) she bore: for the interpreters declared that the meaning of his dream was that his daughter's offspring would rule in his place.

Matthew 2:13
Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt,

ὀνειρόπολος ; interpeter of dreams

Herodotus 1.113
He gave his wife the child (Cyrus) whom he had brought to kill, and his own dead child he put into the chest in which he carried the other ... Then on the third day ... buried the cowherd's child.

The original Scapegoat

Your post lacks a sentence with your thesis statement. Hence, you've essentially quoted a bunch of documents without telling us the point they are supposed to make. Are you simply trying to document that authority in Babylon was a necklace?

 

[Lee Magee]

Your post lacks a sentence with your thesis statement. Hence, you've essentially quoted a bunch of documents without telling us the point they are supposed to make. Are you simply trying to document that authority in Babylon was a necklace?

These anachronisms are not explained.

Dan 1:11
Then said Daniel to Melzar, whom the prince of the eunuchs (שר הסריסים) had set over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah

Gen 39:1
Joseph was brought down to Egypt; and Potiphar, an officer (סריס) of Pharaoh, captain of the guard

Gen 40:7
he asked eunuchs of the Pharaoh (וישאל את־סריסי פרעה)

The Septuagint writes (εὐνοῦχος ; castrated person, eunuch) here, but the King James deceives the reader and reads officer (סריס) in Genesis but Eunuch (סריס) in Daniel in order to avoid the anachronism.

Herodotus 6:32
Then the Persian generals were not false to the threats they had made against the Ionians when they were encamped opposite them. When they had gained mastery over the cities, they chose out the most handsome boys and castrated them, making them eunuchs instead of men, and they carried the fairest maidens away to the king; they did all this, and they burnt the cities with their temples. Thus three times had the Ionians been enslaved, first by the Lydians and now twice in a row by the Persians.

Very suspicious indeed.

 

[Lee Magee]

דניאל "Daniel" is a shortened form of אדניאל.
~ אדניה Adonijah דניאל Daniel = ἄδωνις, ἠίθεος + διός, θεοῦ, ἡλίου (ἀβέλιου).

Isaiah 39:1 בל־אדן ~ ἀβέλιου-ἠίθεος.

2 Samuel 11:3 - Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam
1 Chronicles 3:5 - Bathshua the daughter of Ammiel

This same person is called אליעם and עמיאל , both are pseudo-names meaning εἴρην ἀβέλιου, but the order of the components switched.

Compare the two spellings, בת־שוע Bathshua and בת־שבע Bathsheba and שוע is the same component in ישוע, which means this name could also be ישבע and ישמע. There is no standardise dialect of the language in those ancient times.

 

[Lee Magee]

Daniel 1:8 - את־פתבגם ויין (portion of their meat and wine)
* Strong's H6598 פתבגם ; Of Persian origin

פתבגם is actually προσφάγιον (prosphágion) ; a made dish eaten with bread or wine.

John 21:5 - Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat (προσφάγιον)? They answered him, No.

Very suspicious indeed.

 

[Lee Magee]

Did you know the Jews removed or censored some parts of the Book of Daniel, verse 3:46 is absent in the King James.

Daniel 3:46 The Song of the Three Jews
Now the king’s servants who threw them in kept stoking the furnace with naphtha, pitch, tow, and brushwood. And the flames poured out above the furnace forty-nine cubits, and spread out and burned those Chaldeans who were caught near the furnace. But the angel of the Lord came down into the furnace to be with Azariah and his companions, and drove the fiery flame out of the furnace, and made the inside of the furnace as though a moist wind were whistling through it. The fire did not touch them at all and caused them no pain or distress.

2 Maccabees 36
Nehemiah and his companions called the liquid nephthar (νεφθαρ) , meaning purification, but most people named it naphtha (νεφθαι)

Strabo 16.1
The liquid asphaltus, which is called naphtha, is found in Susa; the dry kind, which can be made solid, in Babylonia. There is a spring of it near the Euphrates. When this river overflows at the time of the melting of the snow, the spring also of asphaltus is filled, and overflows into the river, where large clods are consolidated, fit for buildings constructed of baked bricks. Others say that the liquid kind also is found in Babylonia. With respect to the solid kind, I have described its great utility in the construction of buildings. They say that boats (of reeds) are woven, which, when besmeared with asphaltus, are firmly compacted. When it is brought near the fire, the fire catches it; and if a body smeared over with it is brought near the fire, it burns with a flame, which it is impossible to extinguish, except with a large quantity of water; with a small quantity it burns more violently, but it may be smothered and extinguished by mud, vinegar, alum, and glue. It is said that Alexander, as an experiment, ordered naphtha to be poured over a boy in a bath, and a lamp to be brought near his body. The boy became enveloped in flames, and would have perished if the bystanders had not mastered the fire by pouring upon him a great quantity of water, and thus saved his life.

 

[Lee Magee]

Daniel 2:14 - Arioch, the Captain of the Guard (רב־טבחיא)
Genesis 37:36 - Potiphar, Captain of guard (שר־הטבחים)

The Septuagint reads both these titles as ἀρχιμάγειρος "Chief-cook" , this title is found only in Plutarch.

Plutarch, De liberis educandis
Antigonus, king of the Macedonians, who was blind of one eye, he drove to immoderate anger by reproaching him with his disfigurement. For Antigonus sent his chief cook, (ἀρχιμάγειρος) Eutropion, who had been an officer in his army, to Theocritus, and insisted that Theocritus should come to him and engage in discussion.

Josephus instead writes Ἀριόχῃ τῷ τὴν ἐπὶ τῶν σωματοφυλάκων (Arioch, who was captain of the king's guards).

Josephus Antiquities of the Jews 2.39
Potiphar, an Egyptian, who was chief cook to king Pharaoh ( Φαραώθου μαγείρων τοῦ βασιλέως)

פוטיפר (Potiphar) - αἰγύπτιος πάις

??
Gen 14:1 - Arioch king of Ellasar,
Dan 2:15 - Daniel went in unto Arioch

Gen 41:15 -Joseph summoned to interpret the Dream
Dan 2:26 - Daniel summoned to interpret the Dream

Gen 41:43- Joseph is made ruler of Egypt
Dan 2:48 - Daniel made ruler of Babylon

Gen 41:42 - Given a golden chain to wear around their neck
Dan 5:29 - Given a golden chain to wear around their neck
??

 

[Lee Magee]

Daniel 3:1 נבוכדנצר מלכא עבד צלם די־דהב רומה אמין שתין פתיה אמין שת אקימה בבקעת דורא במדינת בבל

Ναβουχοδονόσορος נבוכדנצר Nebuchadnezzar?
ὁ βασιλεὺς מלכא "The King"
ὄπασσεν עבד "make or give"
ἄγαλμα του ξανθοῦ צלם די־דהב images or statues of Gold
ἀειρόμενος רומה raised up
ὠμία אמין cubit
ἑξήκοντα שתין sixty
πλάτος פתיה breadth, width
ὠμία אמין cubit
ἕξ שת six
ὤρθωσεν אקימה build, raise up
ἐν τοῖς ἄγκεσί בבקעת In the hollows
τάς δωρίδος דורא Of Doria
ἐν πτόλεϊ במדינת In the City
πάμπολις בבל Babylon?

Aramaic is no problem for me.

 

[Lee Magee]

Dan 3:3
באדין מתכנשין אחשדרפניא סגניא ופחותא אדרגזריא גדבריא דתבריא תפתיא וכל שלטני מדינתא לחנכת צלמא די הקים נבוכדנצר מלכא וקאמין לקבל צלמא די הקים נבוכדנצר

Then the princes, the governors, and captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, were gathered together unto the dedication of the image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up; and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up.

σατράπης, σαδράπας, ἐξατράπης אחשדרפניא satrap, title of a Persian viceroy or governor of a province
ζωγάνης סגניא priests?
ἇνδρες δικασταί אדרגזריא jurors, men of the jury
γαζοφύλαξ גדבריא treasurer
δικαστήριον דתבריא the court, the judges, office of the governor
δεσπότεα תפתיא of Oriental rulers, a despot
ὕπαρχοι פחותא subordinate governor, of satraps

The verse uses Persian terminology, even though the context is supposedly Babylonian.

 

[Lee Magee]

Dan 3:7
כל־קבל דנה בה־זמנא כדי שמעין כל־עממיא קל קרנא משרוקיתא קיתרס שבכא פסנטרין וכל זני זמרא נפלין כל־עממיא אמיא ולשניא סגדין לצלם דהבא די הקים נבוכדנצר מלכא

Therefore at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of musick, all the people, the nations, and the languages, fell down and worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up

κέρως קרנא - the Phrygian flute, because it was tipped with horn?
σῦριγξ משרוקיתא ; a musical pipe, a shepherd's pipe, pan pipes
σαμβύκης שבכא ; a triangular musical instrument with four strings (ἀψίς
κιθάρα קיתרס ; the Lat. cithara (whence guitar), a kind of lyre or lute
ψαλτήριον פסנטרין ; stringed instrument, psaltery, harp ??

Strabo 10
Those who regard the whole of Asia as far as India as consecrated to Bacchus, refer to that country as the origin of a great portion of the present music. One author speaks of ‘striking forcibly the Asiatic cithara;’ another calls the pipes Berecynthian and Phrygian. Some of the instruments also have barbarous names, as Nablas, Sambyce, Barbitus, Magadis??

 

[Open Heart]

These anachronisms are not explained.

Dan 1:11
Then said Daniel to Melzar, whom the prince of the eunuchs (שר הסריסים) had set over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah

Gen 39:1
Joseph was brought down to Egypt; and Potiphar, an officer (סריס) of Pharaoh, captain of the guard

Gen 40:7
he asked eunuchs of the Pharaoh (וישאל את־סריסי פרעה)

The Septuagint writes (εὐνοῦχος ; castrated person, eunuch) here, but the King James deceives the reader and reads officer (סריס) in Genesis but Eunuch (סריס) in Daniel in order to avoid the anachronism.

Herodotus 6:32
Then the Persian generals were not false to the threats they had made against the Ionians when they were encamped opposite them. When they had gained mastery over the cities, they chose out the most handsome boys and castrated them, making them eunuchs instead of men, and they carried the fairest maidens away to the king; they did all this, and they burnt the cities with their temples. Thus three times had the Ionians been enslaved, first by the Lydians and now twice in a row by the Persians.

Very suspicious indeed.

Everyone knows that a eunich is a man who has been castrated. What is so hard about that?

 

[Lee Magee]

Everyone knows that a eunich is a man who has been castrated. What is so hard about that?

castration or circumcision, its still barbaric mutilation, these practises are more apparent during the Persian Empire.

Herodotus 2.104
Colchians, Egyptians and Ethiopians are the only nations that have from the first practised circumcision.
The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine acknowledge that they learned the custom from the Egyptians, and the Syrians of the valleys of the Thermodon and the Parthenius, as well as their neighbors the Macrones, say that they learned it lately from the Colchians.

From whom did the Jews learn this barbarism from?

 

[Open Heart]

castration or circumcision, its still barbaric mutilation

Now you are changing the subject. You are starting to form a pattern of odd responses.