Data show high rate of myocarditis in youth after Pfizer vaccine

Bonnie

Super Member
Good then I don't want hear you whine about the number of people who have died. Glad we got that out if the way
I was not "whining." Merely pointing out that any drug, even over the counter stuff, can harm someone, somewhere.
 

Bonnie

Super Member
You have no cath lab credentials

Do you? If so, what are YOUR credentials?
None. You have no idea what they do in an EP lab.

Do you? IF so what are your credentials for working in an EP lab?
You have never watched, assisted or performed heart surgery.

Have you? If so, at what hospital? And when?
But you are familiar with Snopes.

you are far more familiar with it than I am, since you bring it up all the time on here, when I haven't even been on it in months.
And "those that get covid" got the Clot shot.

And many many more also get covid who have NOT gotten the vaccine--and are far more likely to die from it.
IN your own words, Your own words, explain the science and why the clot shot is NOT preventing infection.

I have already done so--it is called "covid variants." But the vaccines still help prevent severe infection and help people recover faster and stay out of the hospital. Not perfectly, but still, they are a big help.
See if you can do so without pivots, obfuscations couched in nuance and deflections.
See if you can tell us what qualifies you to judge us about our credentials by telling us what YOURS are in science and medicine. Don't be shy, now. :)
 

Waltz

Member

'What we’re finding out is that we've been lied to'​

A peer-reviewed study of data in Hong Kong found a significant rise in the rise of myocarditis and pericarditis in young male adolescents after taking a second dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.

The study of Chinese male adolescents published in the journal of Clinical Infectious Disease concluded the rate was 1 in 2,680, or 37 per 100,000. The onset of myocarditis came a median of two days after vaccination.
The results supported a study published in November by the Journal of the American Heart Association that found mRNA vaccines could be causing an increase in vascular events such as thrombosis, cardiomyopathy and other vascular events following vaccination.
Prominent cardiologist Dr. Peter McCullough said in a recent video podcast interview that the myocarditis produced by COVID-19 has been found to be mild and "inconsequential."
But myocarditis cause by the vaccine is nothing like the kind causes by infection, citing pre-clinical studies showing the lipid nanoparticles -- which deliver the spike protein in the mRNA system -- "go right into the heart."
"When the kids get myocarditis after the vaccine, 90% have to be hospitalized," McCullough said. "They have dramatic EKG changes, chest pain, early heart failure, they need echocardiograms."
He called vaccine-inducted myocarditis "a big deal."
"And in children it's way more serious and predominant than a post-COVID myocarditis."
Dr. Robert W. Malone, the inventor of the mRNA technology used in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, also is a critic of universal COVID-19 vaccination. He cited the Hong Kong study during a livestreamed forum in Puerto Rico on Sunday.

He pointed out that the study was an analysis of hospital records, meaning it did not include adolescents who may have developed the disease but did not seek medical attention.
Malone said the information on the risks associated with the COVID-19 vaccines is coming out despite a concerted effort by government, news media and social media to suppress it
The frequency of myocarditis in young males is so high, Malone said, "it can’t be hidden.
"What we’re finding out is that we've been lied to. That's the truth."
Malone, in a piece on SubStack, said there is increasing evidence that vaccinating young people for COVID-19 is "bad medicine, bad policy and shows poor decision making by the FDA on the rushed decision to grant EUA status to these vaccines, particularly for male adolescents and male young adults."
He urged parents to "consider very carefully before making the decision to vaccinate children."
The idea, Malone said, "that this vaccine should be mandated in our schools is absolutely wrong, and if we do not reverse these decisions by national authorities, states, and local school boards we will be sentencing a significant fraction of our youth to government-mandated heart damage."

Another point, yours being the most significant, is the fact that young men don't have high morbidity rates with the virus in the first place.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
Have you noticed these new ads but Facebook is running where they're advocating that the government do the censoring on social media. Note that the consequence of that would be that no one could come up with a different product that is differentiated by improved moderation. In such a case for all intents and purposes competition would be impossible. If a new competitor couldn't compete on the Ground of improved moderation they would have no ground for competition at all.
The gubment wants to use fear to sell Clot shots
That didn't work, we have holdouts, so they use MANDATES.

Now this:

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton scored what he considered to be a "win for the children of Texas" after a federal judge ruled against vaccine and mask mandates for Head Start programs initiated by the Biden administration.

Dr Malone inventor of mRNA says leave kids alone.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
Another point, yours being the most significant, is the fact that young men don't have high morbidity rates with the virus in the first place.
They sure do if they get the Clot shot and develop deep vein thrombosis. The embolism goes to your lungs, heart or even brain and your risk of sudden death is very high. Including athletes. Pulmonary embolism is a blockage in one of the pulmonary arteries in your lungs.
 

Yakuda

Well-known member
I was not "whining." Merely pointing out that any drug, even over the counter stuff, can harm someone, somewhere.
And I am STILL waiting for you to tell me how many deaths are acceptable to you before you question a drugs safety.
 

Bonnie

Super Member
And I am STILL waiting for you to tell me how many deaths are acceptable to you before you question a drugs safety.
And I must remind you that I already answered this weeks ago and am tired of repeating myself. Not my fault if you missed it, though I seem to remember that you responded to my answer.
 

Bonnie

Super Member
They sure do if they get the Clot shot and develop deep vein thrombosis. The embolism goes to your lungs, heart or even brain and your risk of sudden death is very high. Including athletes. Pulmonary embolism is a blockage in one of the pulmonary arteries in your lungs.
Yes, but it is still very rare, and much, much more common in covid-19 victims than in those who have gotten the vaccines, though it seems to be more common with the Astrazeneca and J and J ones.


What is the link between blood clots and COVID-19?​

The association between COVID-19 and blood clots was recognized early in the pandemic among hospitalized COVID-19 patients. These patients experienced blood clots both in deep veins and arteries, which sometimes led to strokes and heart attacks. Although these conditions have mostly been seen in patients with severe COVID-19 illness, people with moderate illness have also developed blood clots. Data from the beginning of the pandemic indicated that the incidence of blood clots in severe COVID-19 illness ranged from 20 to 40 percent. The incidence in people with mild or moderate COVID-19 illness was three to nine percent....

What is the association between blood clotting and certain COVID-19 vaccines?​

Some COVID-19 vaccines are associated with an extremely rare syndrome known as vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT). It was discovered in March 2021 in connection to the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine and then later with the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine. In rare cases, antibodies that the body produces as a side effect of the vaccine lead to uncontrolled activation of platelets. This causes both low platelet counts and blood clots to form in unusual areas. VITT is not associated with the Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccines.

According to the CDC, as of June 30, 2021, there have been 35 confirmed reports of VITT in connection to the J&J vaccine out of more than 12 million doses that have been administered in the U.S. In the United Kingdom, there are more than 300 confirmed cases of VITT connected to the AstraZeneca vaccine. Although VITT is extremely rare, it is a serious and treatable condition. Doctors now know how to recognize and treat VITT, and patients who receive the J&J vaccine are informed how to recognize its side effects.

According to the CDC, as of June 30, 2021, there have been 35 confirmed reports of VITT in connection to the J&J vaccine out of more than 12 million doses that have been administered in the U.S. In the United Kingdom, there are more than 300 confirmed cases of VITT connected to the AstraZeneca vaccine. Although VITT is extremely rare, it is a serious and treatable condition. Doctors now know how to recognize and treat VITT, and patients who receive the J&J vaccine are informed how to recognize its side effects.

Doing the very simple math with my calculator, with these statistics, I divided 30 by 12 million and came up with an incidence of blood clotting at .0000025%. Vs. 3-40% for people who actually got covid-19. I think more recent statistics have blood clots being a bit more common, but still extremely rare, considering the millions upon millions of people who have gotten the vaccine.

AT any rate, being forwarned is being forarmed. But the bottom line is, blood clots are still much, much more common in those who actually got covid-19, especially if they got the more severe kind, than in people who got the vaccine.
 

Yakuda

Well-known member
And I must remind you that I already answered this weeks ago and am tired of repeating myself. Not my fault if you missed it, though I seem to remember that you responded to my answer.
Was some ridiculous thing about not overwhelming hospitals??:😂
 
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