Dead, Slave, Evil, Ungodly, Loving Darkness etc.........

preacher4truth

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Agreed...

But in Reformed Theology we have the 5-Solas, one of which is Faith Alone and another is Grace Alone; this is also at the heart of the Arminian and Calvinism argument. Faith Alone was enough to cause the Protestant Reformation. Faith trumped Catholic Works, but Hyper Calvinism has Grace Trumping Faith; when all Solas are equally true and equally potent. By adding the qualifier 'Alone' after the word Faith, it's as if Faith were the only qualification for Salvation. The same goes for Grace Alone, it's so important that it's as if Grace were the lone aspect of Salvation. None of the Solas are truly Alone or we live by Contradiction, so they are equally true; as if they're in some kind of Hypostatic Union. We are Justified through Faith Alone, though we are never Elected due to Faith; Election is not a Sola. Figure out how to convene a Christian Council and add Election Alone to the Solas, then Hyper Calvinism will have a leg to stand on...
I'm not a hyper-Calvinist and believe that all the Solas stand together and must be qualified beyond their oft mistaken face value.
 

preacher4truth

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Jesus: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.
Calvs: He that is saved shall believe and be baptized! 🥶
"Jesus?"

Hmmmm...

Bible: Jesus is an Uncreated Eternal Being, YHWH in the flesh. John 8:24.


The Cult of Mormonism: Jesus was created by a physical union between a physical God and Mary and is the Devil's brother. Galatians 1:8-10.
 

preacher4truth

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You don't get it. When you make believing a condition to get saved it is making it a work man does to get saved. That is not biblical and the bible condemns such a notion !
Belief comes from God; Romans 10:17, and is the same power that raised Christ from the dead thus not an inherent ability; Ephesians 1:19. Therefore it is a work of God, not a work of man; John 6:29.
 
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ReverendRV

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Okay...

Do you agree Faith Alone is one of the 5-Solas of the Reformation?

Please define Faith Alone as you understand it.

Is 'Faith Alone' equal to 'Glory to God Alone'?

If not, which if any Sola is more prominent for whatever reason?

Should Unconditional Election Alone be added to the 5-Solas?
 
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zerinus

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"Jesus?"

Hmmmm...

Bible: Jesus is an Uncreated Eternal Being, YHWH in the flesh. John 8:24.

The Cult of Mormonism: Jesus was created by a physical union between a physical God and Mary and is the Devil's brother. Galatians 1:8-10.
Calvs are also bad losers. No surprise there of course. Heretics normally are.
 

TibiasDad

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Hello Doug,
Is it possible that it all happens simultaneously? Repentance and saving faith are granted at regeneration, the unseen work of the Spirit in making the person a new creation by being born from above?:unsure:

It could, and in fact does, but then it becomes a logical/philosophical argument and not a biblical/theological argument. We have no definitive way to prove either the chicken or the egg or faith or regeneration.

Doug
 

TibiasDad

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What do you mean ? Explain

You said, "If anyone makes faith, repentance, believing, confession, water baptism a condition to get saved, they're promoting salvation by works, by what a person does." So I take that to mean that "faith" is not a necessary condition of salvation, despite Paul's declaration that it is in Rom 3:22, saying, "This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe." Faith/belief precede righteousness/salvation being given.

Doug
 

Our Lord's God

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Not if you ignore 1 John 5:1....

1John 5:1 Everyone who believes [present] that Jesus is the Christ has been born [perfect] of God,

And to those who believe he gave the authority to BECOME children of God.

So do you need to become a child of God to believe or does it say it was to those who believe he gave authority to become children of God?
 

Iconoclast

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It could, and in fact does, but then it becomes a logical/philosophical argument and not a biblical/theological argument. We have no definitive way to prove either the chicken or the egg or faith or regeneration.

Doug
The chicken came first.
Regeneration comes first.
Both biblical no philosophical input necessary.
 

preacher4truth

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The chicken came first.
Regeneration comes first.
Both biblical no philosophical input necessary.
It's funny they act like they just don't know if regeneration or faith came first, but then argue against it vehemently elsewhere saying it had to be us that did it by our believing, then, because of that, God saved us.

The fact is they cannot stand the fact that a person has to be made alive before faith and salvation via regeneration, Ephesians 1:1-4 &c. Why? Because it makes out God to actually be God.

Somehow they cannot stand that truth.
 

Iconoclast

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It's funny they act like they just don't know if regeneration or faith came first, but then argue against it vehemently elsewhere saying it had to be us that did it by our believing, then, because of that, God saved us.

The fact is they cannot stand the fact that a person has to be made alive before faith and salvation via regeneration, Ephesians 1:1-4 &c. Why? Because it makes out God to actually be God.

Somehow they cannot stand that truth.
I think sometimes people have only attended places where they are trying to be seeker sensitive. What sounds softer is understood as a more "loving" message.Telling men that Adam was only wounded slightly in the fall, opens the door in their thinking to tell adam he has full ability to let God know what he has accepted or rejected . Then God who is only a spectator in that scenario can adjust to man.
 

brightfame52

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You said, "If anyone makes faith, repentance, believing, confession, water baptism a condition to get saved, they're promoting salvation by works, by what a person does." So I take that to mean that "faith" is not a necessary condition of salvation, despite Paul's declaration that it is in Rom 3:22, saying, "This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe." Faith/belief precede righteousness/salvation being given.

Doug
I have stated over and over that if anyone makes faith, repentance, believing, confession, water baptism a condition to get saved, they're promoting salvation by works, by what a person does. And NO NO NO Faith is not a condition to get save, that promotes salvation by works. Get the picture now sir ?
 
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