Not with his corpse, but with his spirit.
It's not my responsibility.
True.
Not really. I wish to defend the truth. There's a difference.
Yep. Even when presented with scripture to the contrary.
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ziapueblo
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Exactly!
You asked to see Scripture verses and I told you I had posted them in this thread and you can find them. Your answer? "So, nothing, huh?" It is your responsibility to go check. At least, this is what I would tell my 11 year old daughter. If you want to know something, search for it.
So end of discussion! You don't want to know Orthodox practice, why even dialogue?
One defends the truth by living a life in Christ, not by trying to out show someone. That puts people off
Nice try
If you want to speak what you believe is truth against what I believe is truth, study what I believe, from Orthodox sources, starting with the Scriptures. Then, read Orthodox commentary on the Scriptures. Then, see with your own eyes how Orthodox worship the one true God, listen to the hymns chanted at Divine Liturgy, Orthros, Vespers, etc. You will be received by friendly, God loving people. Don't be afraid! I mean, I've read all the great protestant theologians because I want to understand what my fellow Christians believe. I'm still Orthodox. I go to Church with protestant friends for special occasions (as long as I am not chanting at Church) because I want to show them Christian love. I'm still Orthodox. If you learn about Orthodoxy, it doesn't mean you will convert, you'll just understand it and have an appreciation for another perspective. Try it. Many have gained an appreciation for Orthodoxy and they are still reformed protestants:
I love the way you say that as if you think you made a point. It was his spirit because he was dead.
No, it's not my responsibility to do your work for you.
And we're just the opposite. If one of our children had made a claim and was asked to back it up, we wouldn't have accepted, "Oh, just go find it for yourself". We would have made them explain themselves.
Actually, the Bible says we defend the truth by contending for it. That means speaking the truth and confronting falsehoods.One defends the truth by living a life in Christ, not by trying to out show someone. That puts people off
It's not my responsibility to read Orthodox sources.
No fear, here.
Well, I'm already very well verses in it and I haven't walked away from Christ to convert to it, yet.
I've done it. I still have no appreciation for false teaching.
ziapueblo
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His flesh is dead, yes, but as you said, his spirit is alive and well.
I already did the work, its your responsibility to search for it when I said it has been posted already
I don't disagree. But the way in which one lives their life speaks for itself.
Yes it is, if you want to know what Orthodoxy teaches.
Neither do I, this is why I am Orthodox
So then, he is dead.
No, it's not my responsibility to back up your claims for you.
You realize that you've spent more time coming up with excuses to avoid answering my question than you would have if you had actually answered it, right?
Can't be both. To say you don't subscribe to false teaching, but then say that's why you belong to a religion with tons of false teaching is an oxymoron.Neither do I, this is why I am Orthodox
ziapueblo
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His flesh, but his spirit is alive and well.
I already backed up "my claims" in this thread several times. It's up to you to go back and read them. I don't have to repeat myself over and over.
Right. He's dead.
If you had already backed them up, then you wouldn't have such a hard time telling us what they are.
Like I said, you're putting far more energy into avoiding the question than you would if you just answered it.
ziapueblo
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His spirit is alive and he communicated with Christ and Elijah. St Peter saw him.
I posted the same thing several times. I don't have to write it all out again. I told you which post it was. At that point, its up to you to read it.
I answered it already
Yes, Peter saw him. But Peter did not talk to him because speaking to the dead is forbidden.
OK. If you can't back up your claims, that's fine.
Fine. Tell us the number of the post where you answered it.I answered it already
ziapueblo
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Jesus spoke with him. I Christ breaking His own commandment?
I already did. Shows how much you are actually paying attention.
Yeah, and you know what the difference between Jesus and Peter is? Jesus is God. Not that you care what scripture says, but where does scripture say God can't speak to whoever He wants?
No, it just shows that you're a liar and a coward.
ziapueblo
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So God can break His commandments?
Oh, I very much care what Scripture says.
Thank you so much. I needed a good laugh!
Look at post #260 and I show you where I answered these questions.
You still haven't shown where God commanded Himself not to talk to the dead.
That's not evidenced in your posts.
See Ecclesiastes 7:6.
Here are the verses you provided:
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So, as you can see, nothing in these verses say anything about the dead being aware of anything on Earth, or that we are to pray to them.
ziapueblo
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They do not seem dead to me.
You are free to interpret these Scriptures the way you like.
ziapueblo
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The dead is spirit will not be able too.
Not really. Not without the Holy Sprit as our teacher.
You keep believing that. 'You will know them by their fruit'