DEBATE: Is prayer to Mary & the saints worship?
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The OP:
DEBATE: Is prayer to Mary & the saints worship?
The answer has be shown by the Word of God in this thread for those who have eyes to see: YESYou just keep praying to the dead. I'm sure they will answer your prayers.I'm guessing you will tell me that your teacher is the Holy Spirit, and yes, I will keep believing that
Right back atcha
I will stick to praying to God.
ziapueblo
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Dead? There bodies, yes, their spirits? Alive and well, as the Book of Revelation shows.
Only God answers prayersI'm sure they will answer your prayers.
Amen! Just make sure when you are in any kind of trouble and you feel like asking others to pray for you, make sure you stop that thought. If your Church has a prayer list or prayer warriors, tell you pastor to stop this unbiblical behavior! We as individuals should only pray to God and not ask others to pray for us!
Again, is the Holy Spirit your teacher?
ziapueblo
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Not worship. Prayer, an earnest hope or wish, is what is going on here. As others have shown on this thread, as well as Catholics a billion times on the Catholic thread.
When I ask my mother to pray for me is that worship? When I ask my wife to pray for me is that worship? When my Church has the names of those who need prayer and are asking for our prayers, is that worship?
Agree
Correct!! So why pray to the dead? Maybe some hope for you.Only God answers prayers
Really? Wow. SMH. Asking people to pray TO God for you and (a Sin -Deut 18:10-13) are two different things.
DEBATE: Is prayer to Mary & the saints worship?
ziapueblo
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Prayer to God is worship. Recognizing He is God. The only person to pray to.
Is that only why you pray to God? (also dead saints for you) Kind of selfish. Only Pray (ask) God for your hopes and wishes. (He is not a genie though)
No. You are asking her to pray FOR you. See the difference? I know you can. Will you deny it?
No. You are asking her to pray FOR you. See the difference? I know you can. Will you deny it?
No. You are asking her to pray FOR you. See the difference? I know you can. Will you deny it?
Come on. You know the truth. Stop believing you denominations lies that you can pray TO the dead.
Is that all prayer to God is for you? Pretty selfish.
They are dead on earth. They are not God. Can't here you!!!!
Is that all prayer to God is for you? Pretty selfish.
They can't hear you. P.S. (It is a sin - Deut 18:10-13)
Except they can't hear you!! P.S. (It is a sin - Deut 18:10-13)
ziapueblo
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I don't disagree. Although, in the context of "prayer" to the Saints, it is not worship. Worship is not the only definition of prayer.
Nope, the first definition of prayer, a solemn request for help or expression of thanks addressed to God or an object of worship.
Of course, Orthodox do not worship objects so you can scratch out the last 5 words of the definition
This is what we ask the Saints in Heaven to do for us. See the difference? I know you can. Will you deny it?
Sorry, all I can do is laugh! I'll stick with two thousand years of Christian teaching and Scriptural interpretation, but thanks!
Yes, and Scriptural interpretation is the key. You don't have to answer this simple questions, is the Holy Spirit your teacher? This is a completely valid questions since I have shown you the Church's interpretations of the Scriptures, which we see as coming from the Holy Spirit. Why do you not interpret these Scriptures and the early Christian Church did? Did the Holy Spirit tell you it is wrong? The Holy Spirit told the early Christians this was right.
Can't pray to dead people. It is a sin.
Of course you do. Otherwise you would not have icons in you buildings. keep lying to yourself.Nope, the first definition of prayer, a solemn request for help or expression of thanks addressed to God or an object of worship.
Of course, Orthodox do not worship objects so you can scratch out the last 5 words of the definition
Dead. They are dead. They can't hear you. See the difference? I know you can. Will you continue to deny it?
So praying to the dead is funny to you? God does not find it a laughing matter.
Sorry, all I can do is laugh! I'll stick with two thousand years of Christian teaching and Scriptural interpretation, but thanks!
Deut 18:10-13 '10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. 13 You shall be [a]blameless before the Lord your God."
Rabbit trail. I get it though. You've seen the truth presented (NO praying to the dead. It is a sin) and want know more of it.
DEBATE: Is prayer to Mary & the saints worship? YES
ziapueblo
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Dead? Flesh, sure. Spirit, no. Death does not separate the Body of Christ.
We only worship God, nice try! Take a tour of your local Orthodox Church. The priest would be happy to do so.
Like I have family photos on my wall? We don't worship icons. Learn Orthodoxy so you are not ignorant of Orthodox practice. Every Orthodox in the world would laugh at this comment, as I do.
Boy, I get tired of this, those who die in Christ are not dead. They are alive and well in Heaven with Christ. Do you deny this?
You just don't want to answer the question I guess.
Dead to you. Alive in heaven. They can't hear you. You ignore the Word of God by trying to contact them (Deut 18:10-13). But I'm sure you will listen to the serpent when he says, ' Did God say?'
Just as expected. Ignoring the Word of God for your traditions. Making excuses for your icons. Word play so you can pray to dead people. Try all you want, it is a sin. Deut 18:10-13
Of course it is.
Of course it is when you try to contact the dead (Deut 18:10-13) But I'm sure you will listen to the serpent when he says, ' Did God say?'
Bob Carabbio
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Chuckle!!! That's a stretch!!! Typical "Traditional nonsense".
Arch Stanton
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o ye of little faith
Bob Carabbio
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I only place FAITH in REAL things (Rom 10:17)
ziapueblo
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Sure they can. Those in Heaven are bringing the prayers of those on Earth to God, Revelation 5:8.
This is sorcery, not asking for the intercession of the Body of Christ in Heaven.
Nice try. You know not of what you speak of when it comes to the Orthodox Church.
Sorry, not ignoring the Word of God here
Not at all. God commanded Moses to use and make images. Images were in the Temple also
Nice try. You know nothing of the intercession of the Saints. It is very Biblical. Why do you not trust the Scriptures? Why do you follow the traditions of men? I mean, the early Christians asked for the intercession of those in Heaven for 1500 years.