Debate: Trent Horn vs Steve Christie (Marian dogmas)

RayneBeau

RayneBeau

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pilgrim said:
She did have a role. And her role counteracted the role that Eve had in the downfall of man.
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Aside from the "role" that God gave her of birthing the prophesied Savior as being a notable exception, Mary did not stand apart from the crowd as Roman Catholicism continually tries to purport worldwide. Roman Catholicism encourages their religious group of followers that ascribe to their teachings, to erroneously think that Mary was some kind of Biblical superhuman - then and now. They put her graven images on pedestals instilling in the minds of their deceived followers their need to "look up" to her. It's obvious how disillusioned Roman Catholics are, but is Almighty God so easily impressed?
 
Nondenom40

Nondenom40

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Arch Stanton said:
narrow as in the few Catholics that you know personally?
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Narrow as in the topic i've responded to. You are paying attention right?

#797
"She did have a role. And her role counteracted the role that Eve had in the downfall of man."

#812
"Mary is the new Eve explains a lot."

If mary had the role of counteracting what Eve did, explain why none of that is in the bible? Explain why that very 'role' was accomplished not by Mary, but Jesus. And that role is laid out very clearly in Romans 5. So yes, catholics push Jesus aside and strip Him of His role and you just give it to Mary as though she had anything to do with 'counteracting what eve did'. Its nonsense and its blasphemy. The real Mary, not your fictional mary would be humiliated and embarassed to see what you people have done to her name. Hopefully our Lord has protected her from all of your unbiblical fiction.
 
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dingoling.

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Nondenom40 said:
The bible isn't silent on who did the undoing here. You ascribe it to Mary undoing what eve did and then call her the new eve. The BIBLE in Romans 5 ascribes this action to Jesus, comparing Him to Adam. And Jesus is called the last Adam. Your poor out of touch example of the trinity has nothing to do with what we are talking about. It has nothing to do with what name is or isn't in the bible. It has to do with an action. You suggest Mary did something the bible never even hints that she did. However, the bible isn't silent on who did this thing, and it's not Mary. It's Jesus. So yes, you're stripping something away from Him and handing it to a mere human. It's disgraceful.
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God used Mary to humiliate Satan. Mary humbled herself under the mighty hand of God and now God has exalted her in due time. Mary is now queen of heaven and a powerful intercessor for us. It is sad that Christians reject the role God has given her for us.
 
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YeshuaFan

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leonard03782 said:
Monkey say monkey do. There is probably not one statue of Mary that went unkissed by JPII as he passed by. As a matter of fact, he went out of his way to worship Mary. I would say that anyone asking would be hard pressed to find someone that would not agree with the statement that the pompous maximus is a role model for all rc's.You said yourself that It was necessary for salvation to believe in the Marian Dogmas.

Catholic News Agency------->"There are four dogmas stating Mary's personal relationship with God and her role in human salvation".
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The prior Pope gave Mary credit to marry to saving him from the shooter, and not Lord Jesus!
 
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YeshuaFan

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Nondenom40 said:
The bible isn't silent on who did the undoing here. You ascribe it to Mary undoing what eve did and then call her the new eve. The BIBLE in Romans 5 ascribes this action to Jesus, comparing Him to Adam. And Jesus is called the last Adam. Your poor out of touch example of the trinity has nothing to do with what we are talking about. It has nothing to do with what name is or isn't in the bible. It has to do with an action. You suggest Mary did something the bible never even hints that she did. However, the bible isn't silent on who did this thing, and it's not Mary. It's Jesus. So yes, you're stripping something away from Him and handing it to a mere human. It's disgraceful.
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Jesus is called second Adam. and mary NOT called second eve!
 
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YeshuaFan

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dingoling. said:
God used Mary to humiliate Satan. Mary humbled herself under the mighty hand of God and now God has exalted her in due time. Mary is now queen of heaven and a powerful intercessor for us. It is sad that Christians reject the role God has given her for us.
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Mary of Rome seems to be same as heavenly Mother of the Mormon Church!
 
Nondenom40

Nondenom40

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Arch Stanton said:
This is what concerns me. How many Catholics have pushed Christ to the rear?
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What concerns me is you haven't asked a relevant question yet. Everything youre asking is in my posts. But you continue to ask.

Read #824. Why ascribe something to mary when that very thing is spoken of very clearly in Romans? Did it take mary AND Jesus to undo the sin of our ancestors? And if so, why is nothing said of mary? Now lets see if you'll come back and ask the same question again.
 
Nondenom40

Nondenom40

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dingoling. said:
God used Mary to humiliate Satan. Mary humbled herself under the mighty hand of God and now God has exalted her in due time. Mary is now queen of heaven and a powerful intercessor for us. It is sad that Christians reject the role God has given her for us.
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God used Mary to humiliate Satan.
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Proof?

and now God has exalted her in due time.
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Proof?

Mary is now queen of heaven
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Proof?

and a powerful intercessor for us.
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Proof?

It is sad that Christians reject the role God has given her for us.
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So far no catholic has been able to show us any role she has other than the one in your minds. Because its not in the bible.
 
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