Defending Christianity From Judaism

You should explain who you are referring to when you say Jews.
I didn't realize the term as it appears in the OP would be confusing. By "Jews" I'm referring to any person who is a member of the faith of Judaism, by birth or by conversion, who has never converted to Christianity primarily for doctrinal reasons.
This is nothing new. Paul wrote to Titus concerning this...
8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Yes, the Jews who have never bothered to convert to Christianity have been around as long as Christianity has been around. I'm not sure how what you've posted here relates to such Jews, however.
You have fallen into the trap of division.
That's not hard to do considering all the division!
God did not call anyone to be a Christian.
How do you know that?
How many denominations are there in Christianity?
I've heard that there are as many as 45,000 Christian sects. Isn't it amazing how many different people follow Jesus for different reasons?
Do they all teach the same doctrine?
I don't know what all sects teach, but obviously there are some differences among them.
Any attempt to defend Christianity must be toward one particular denomination.
Not necessarily. For example, almost all Christian sects believe Jesus is the divine or semidivine Son of God who is the prophesied Jewish Messiah and savior of the world. Consequently, almost all Christians may need to defend these doctrines against naysayers--Jewish or otherwise.
The different denominations in Christianity will each defend those points differently. God is not a God of confusion.
Different mathematicians often prove the same theorems differently. I don't think those differences are necessarily confusing, and I don't find different Christian apologetics for the same doctrines necessarily confusing.
If your faith is Christianity there is no way to defend those charges since you would have conflicts with other denominations.
That's also not necessarily true. Even if some denominations disagree with my apologetics, I think I can still make a good defense of Christian doctrines. And if I'm reaching out to Jews, any conflicts with some Christian sects on my are not very relevant to evangelizing Jews.
 
I didn't realize the term as it appears in the OP would be confusing. By "Jews" I'm referring to any person who is a member of the faith of Judaism, by birth or by conversion, who has never converted to Christianity primarily for doctrinal reasons.
Good, we now know who you are referring to when you say Jews. Now please show where the scripture says to convert Jews to Christianity and specify which denomination.
Yes, the Jews who have never bothered to convert to Christianity have been around as long as Christianity has been around. I'm not sure how what you've posted here relates to such Jews, however.
They would all be dead by now sir. You are referring to Jews of today. Please show where the scripture says to convert Jews to Christianity. Chapter and verse.
That's not hard to do considering all the division!
So you admit you are in a trap?
How do you know that?
It is not written anywhere in the scripture.
I've heard that there are as many as 45,000 Christian sects. Isn't it amazing how many different people follow Jesus for different reasons?
Who said they are following Jesus? If they all follow Jesus then there would be no division.
I don't know what all sects teach, but obviously there are some differences among them.
That is all you need to know. If they teach different things then they cannot be the same, can they?
Not necessarily. For example, almost all Christian sects believe Jesus is the divine or semidivine Son of God who is the prophesied Jewish Messiah and savior of the world.
The point is this
1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Consequently, almost all Christians may need to defend these doctrines against naysayers--Jewish or otherwise.
And they will all defend their doctrine differently.
Different mathematicians often prove the same theorems differently. I don't think those differences are necessarily confusing, and I don't find different Christian apologetics for the same doctrines necessarily confusing.
You are conflating different things. You said different mathematicians and different theorems. How does that relate to One Jesus and one Gospel? The moment you mention different Christian apologetics you admit divisions in the Christianity camp.
That's also not necessarily true.
You just proved that it is true. You used the term almost all Christian twice.
Even if some denominations disagree with my apologetics,
Then there is division.
I think I can still make a good defense of Christian doctrines.
In your own mind and so does the other person in their own mind. Nothing is solved because each person follows the denomination and not Jesus.
And if I'm reaching out to Jews, any conflicts with some Christian sects on my are not very relevant to evangelizing Jews.
Then you think Jews are blind and silly. You should first fix the broken Christianity then you can address Jews.
 
Oh, I get it. You don't need the Scripture. Just you and the Father alone. Okay, I won't waste your time anymore with my un-sanctified words.
Scripture. Or prophecy that it is is fulfilled when God Himself come to you for in that God Himself is the communicator for His way.

Jesus was very clear that in that day ye shall ask me nothing but go to the father for yourself and He will give it to you

the book can be and is easily and grosley misinterpreted but when you learn to listen to God Himself and hear directly from Him as Jesus did then the book, law, is no longer the teacher and used only as reference to those who are not born of God, born again, and can’t hear directly from God themselves.

what book Did Jesus read when God Himself came to Jesus and opened up who He is and all of His heaven to Jesus in Matt 3:16? He is the same One who opens the same in anyone who will receive Him as Jesus did. Moses did 120 did and I did. You cant know God at all without Him manifest in you to teach you Himself no different from Jesus receiving God and learn directly from Him himself.

The book cant give you God but it can lead you to Him -- for all that the Bible is is an instruction manual for how to. Sadly most look at the Bible as a god to worship instead. Always learning but never coming to the truths in it from lack in letting the One who is at your door knocking this day and anyone who will let Him in He will come to you and sup with you and sup with you and be in you and you will be in Him as one.
 
Good, we now know who you are referring to when you say Jews. Now please show where the scripture says to convert Jews to Christianity...
The topic of this thread as I stated in the OP is defending Christianity against Jewish criticisms of Christian doctrine. The conversion of Jews is not terribly relevant to that topic, so unless you can make a case for discussing converting Jews within the context of that topic, I'd rather not discuss converting Jews.
...and specify which denomination.
Specify which denomination for what?
They would all be dead by now sir. You are referring to Jews of today.
Not necessarily. Christians need to defend their beliefs against the criticisms of Jews past and present, living or dead.
Please show where the scripture says to convert Jews to Christianity. Chapter and verse.
Again that's irrelevant to the topic.
So you admit you are in a trap?
I am not the topic of this discussion, and neither is "trapping" me. I'm not on trial.
Who said they are following Jesus? If they all follow Jesus then there would be no division.
That's both a red-herring fallacy and a non sequitur. Who follows Jesus is not the topic, and even if it was, it doesn't follow that those followers need to be perfectly unified.
Then you think Jews are blind and silly. You should first fix the broken Christianity then you can address Jews.
First fix your broken post--remove the irrelevancies and personal attacks and get back on topic--and then we can address apologetics regarding Jewish attacks on Christianity. From the OP: How can we defend our faith against the charges Jews make against Christian beliefs? I look forward to a lively discussion with on this very important issue.
 
The topic of this thread as I stated in the OP is defending Christianity against Jewish criticisms of Christian doctrine.
And I am saying it is impossible. Christianity is in shambles it is the most divided religion on earth.
The conversion of Jews is not terribly relevant to that topic, so unless you can make a case for discussing converting Jews within the context of that topic, I'd rather not discuss converting Jews.
So why then are you defending your doctrine when they criticize it? If your intent is not to persuade them to follow your doctrine then you are just arguing for argument's sake.
Specify which denomination for what?
Now please show where the scripture says to convert Jews to Christianity. Specify the denomination that God commanded to convert Jews to Christianity
Not necessarily.
So there are Jews alive now from the beginning of christianity?
Christians need to defend their beliefs against the criticisms of Jews past and present, living or dead.
Why are you arguing with dead men? Which dead man do you have to defend Christianity against?
Again that's irrelevant to the topic.
How so? Why would you need to defend your doctrine against a Jew unless you are trying to convert him?

I am not the topic of this discussion, and neither is "trapping" me. I'm not on trial.
I never said you were the topic or on trial.

I said...You have fallen into the trap of division.
You said
Unknown Soldier said:
That's not hard to do considering all the division!

I take that as an admission of falling into the trap of division
That's both a red-herring fallacy and a non sequitur. Who follows Jesus is not the topic,
But the topic hinges on if those who are actually following Jesus are indeed doing the right thing. Is it not that you have to defend?
and even if it was, it doesn't follow that those followers need to be perfectly unified.
But it does. How can you convince a Jew following his religious doctrine that you are right and he is wrong when your religion is divided?
First fix your broken post--remove the irrelevancies and personal attacks and get back on topic--and then we can address apologetics regarding Jewish attacks on Christianity.
If you think my post is broken that is your opinion. Where are those Jewish attacks?
From the OP: How can we defend our faith against the charges Jews make against Christian beliefs?
I already said you cannot. What denomination do you follow?
I look forward to a lively discussion with on this very important issue.
How is that issue more important than the unity of Christian denominations?
 
And I am saying it is impossible.
Many apologists defend Christianity from Jewish criticisms, so doing so is not just possible but actual.
Christianity is in shambles...
If you call a third of the world's people as followers a "shambles," then you are right.
... it is the most divided religion on earth.
Isn't it amazing how all those diverse people despite their disagreements can nevertheless maintain faith in the same God?
So why then are you defending your doctrine when they criticize it? If your intent is not to persuade them to follow your doctrine then you are just arguing for argument's sake.
As Christians we are called to defend our faith. 1 Peter 3:15:
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear...

So there are Jews alive now from the beginning of christianity?
I will be kind and assume this question is supposed to be a joke.
Why are you arguing with dead men? Which dead man do you have to defend Christianity against?
Here I can't be so kind. It's ridiculous to think that people don't have influence beyond their deaths. But just for the record, the late Jewish scholar Stuart E. Rosenberg has written an important book, The Christian Problem: A Jewish View, which is a stinging indictment of Christian doctrine.
How so? Why would you need to defend your doctrine against a Jew unless you are trying to convert him?
There are other reasons to defend Christian doctrine from a Jewish critic, of course. Obviously, Jewish criticisms can shake the faith of Christians. Our having confidence in our Christian faith is important.
But the topic hinges on if those who are actually following Jesus are indeed doing the right thing. Is it not that you have to defend?
Yes, but the details of the makeup of Christians is not the topic.
But it does. How can you convince a Jew following his religious doctrine that you are right and he is wrong when your religion is divided?
I'd explain that his religion is divided too. Any Jew, if she or he is smart, knows better than to doubt a belief merely because some people disagree about it.
If you think my post is broken that is your opinion. Where are those Jewish attacks?
Those attacks are very easy to find. Have you watched YouTube? Look for Rabbis Singer and Skobac.
What denomination do you follow?
I don't follow any denomination.
How is that issue more important than the unity of Christian denominations?
I never said that apologetics is more important than unity! Christian unity is a different topic. If you want to discuss it, then start another thread.
 
Many apologists defend Christianity from Jewish criticisms, so doing so is not just possible but actual.
If so why then are you here asking that question?
If you call a third of the world's people as followers a "shambles," then you are right.
Since I am right why are you still in shambles?
Isn't it amazing how all those diverse people despite their disagreements can nevertheless maintain faith in the same God?
Being in shambles is not Faith in the same God.
As Christians we are called to defend our faith. 1 Peter 3:15:
Where does Peter say Christians in 1 Peter 3:15... But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
No mention of Christians here.
I will be kind and assume this question is supposed to be a joke.
If the quote below is a joke then the response is a joke.
Unknown Soldier said:
Yes, the Jews who have never bothered to convert to Christianity have been around as long as Christianity has been around. I'm not sure how what you've posted here relates to such Jews, however

Here I can't be so kind. It's ridiculous to think that people don't have influence beyond their deaths. But just for the record, the late Jewish scholar Stuart E. Rosenberg has written an important book, The Christian Problem: A Jewish View, which is a stinging indictment of Christian doctrine.
You cannot argue with a dead person no matter how much influence they had.
There are other reasons to defend Christian doctrine from a Jewish critic, of course. Obviously, Jewish criticisms can shake the faith of Christians. Our having confidence in our Christian faith is important.
That is because God did not call anyone to be a Christian.
Yes, but the details of the makeup of Christians is not the topic.
But it is important to the topic. All denominations do not have the same doctrine.
I'd explain that his religion is divided too. Any Jew, if she or he is smart, knows better than to doubt a belief merely because some people disagree about it.
You are funny, people disagree because they have doubts about each other's argument.
Those attacks are very easy to find. Have you watched YouTube? Look for Rabbis Singer and Skobac.
If you were a true believer you would not take them seriously. Did they not reject Yeshua the messiah?
I don't follow any denomination.
But you call yourself a Christian do you not? You said Christianity has over 400 denominations. You must belong to one else you are not a Christian.
I never said that apologetics is more important than unity!
You don't have to say it your post shows it.
Christian unity is a different topic. If you want to discuss it, then start another thread.
I am not a Christian plus Christians can never be united.
 
Let me start by explaining that in no way do I mean this topic to be a slur on Jews. Nevertheless, it is true that most Jews either ignore the truths of the Gospel or actively deny those truths. Here's a list of some of the more common arguments I've heard Rabbis use against Christian doctrines:
  1. Jesus is not the Messiah.
  2. God did not inspire the New Testament.
  3. There are no passages in the Hebrew Bible that clearly prophesy Jesus or even mention him at all.
  4. The Jewish people never forfeited their role as God's chosen people to the Christian church.
  5. Contrary to the way the Pharisees are portrayed in the Gospels, they were actually good people who have blessed humanity.
  6. The miracles of Jesus, even if they are historical, do not prove he was sent by God.
  7. Christian doctrine led to centuries of hatred of and persecution on the Jewish people on the part of Christians which culminated in the Holocaust.
How can we defend our faith against these charges? I look forward to a lively discussion on this very important issue.
4. This one is actually true. God named them as His chosen people, so for them to be otherwise would make God a liar.

7. Actually the Holocaust was caused by atheistic socialists who also persecuted Bible believing Christians who refused to submit to the State as their deity. Have there been many who call themselves Christians who have persecuted Jews? Why, yes there have been. Does the Bible, particularly the New Testament, advocate persecution of the Jews? Why, no, it doesn't. Which means it isn't a Christian teaching or position.

For your other five points, they are pretty much mandatory and related. If a Jew accepts any of those points, then it leads to becoming a Christian, just like it did with the first Christians, who were Jews who accepted those points. This might not be what you are looking for, but it is the logic behind them. Best just to acknowledge them and move on.
One could start with "Well, if Jesus was the Messiah, then you (speaking to a Jew) would have to accept His teachings, correct?"
 
4. This one is actually true. God named them as His chosen people, so for them to be otherwise would make God a liar.
They rejected God...
Acts 13:46
Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
7. Actually the Holocaust was caused by atheistic socialists who also persecuted Bible believing Christians who refused to submit to the State as their deity. Have there been many who call themselves Christians who have persecuted Jews? Why, yes there have been. Does the Bible, particularly the New Testament, advocate persecution of the Jews? Why, no, it doesn't. Which means it isn't a Christian teaching or position.
Only the Jews can cause things on themselves.
This is what happens to Israel when they didn't observe the commands of God...Deut 28
15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
20 The Lord shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
21 The Lord shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.
22 The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
24 The Lord shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
25 The Lord shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
26 And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.
27 The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
28 The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand.
33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:
34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
35 The Lord shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
36 The Lord shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the Lord shall lead thee.
38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
47 Because thou servedst not the Lord thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the Lord shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
49 The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
 
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50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:
51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.
52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.
53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.
58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, The Lord Thy God;
59 Then the Lord will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.
60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.
61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the Lord bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God.
63 And it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.
64 And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the Lord shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
68 And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.
For your other five points, they are pretty much mandatory and related. If a Jew accepts any of those points, then it leads to becoming a Christian, just like it did with the first Christians, who were Jews who accepted those points. This might not be what you are looking for, but it is the logic behind them. Best just to acknowledge them and move on.
One could start with "Well, if Jesus was the Messiah, then you (speaking to a Jew) would have to accept His teachings, correct?"
First of all, God did not call anyone to be a Christian. secondly, The Jews rejected the Messiah and God blinded them.
Rom 11:
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
 
4. This one is actually true. God named them as His chosen people, so for them to be otherwise would make God a liar.
God made true His choosing the Jewish people to teach the world what sin is and why we need forgiveness. He also chose the Jews to bring His Son into the world to make that forgiveness effective for Jew and Gentile alike. Since Jesus came into the world the Jews as God's chosen people must accept Jesus as their savior like all must accept Jesus as savior.
7. Actually the Holocaust was caused by atheistic socialists who also persecuted Bible believing Christians who refused to submit to the State as their deity.
You should use this apologetic with caution when evangelizing Jews. If they suspect that to free Christians of blame you are alleging that atheists are actually responsible for the Holocaust, they will see you as trivializing the Holocaust. Many Jews want the world to know the facts about the Holocaust so that it never happens again, so if you make claims about the Holocaust, then you better be ready to back up those claims. What atheist(s) caused the Holocaust, and how do you know?
Have there been many who call themselves Christians who have persecuted Jews? Why, yes there have been. Does the Bible, particularly the New Testament, advocate persecution of the Jews? Why, no, it doesn't. Which means it isn't a Christian teaching or position.
Many Jews have studied the New Testament, and they see much of it as anti-Jewish especially the Gospel of John. Characterizing Jews as having the Devil as their father and blaming them for Christ's execution can easily be seen as a call for their persecution. That's the way a lot of Jews see it, anyway. You'll need to have a good argument that the way Jews are portrayed in the New Testament is unlikely to have inspired hatred for them.
For your other five points, they are pretty much mandatory and related. If a Jew accepts any of those points, then it leads to becoming a Christian, just like it did with the first Christians, who were Jews who accepted those points.
You lost me here. What points are you referring to? None of the items on the list in the OP could lead a Jew to becoming a Christian. On the contrary, I said those are the reasons why most Jews don't convert. For instance, what Jews would convert to Christianity because they think Jesus is not the Messiah?
One could start with "Well, if Jesus was the Messiah, then you (speaking to a Jew) would have to accept His teachings, correct?"
I suppose that would be a good start to defending Christianity. Just be ready to back up Jesus as the Messiah with good reasons to believe He was the Messiah.
 
Having worked in an administrative role with Jews for Jesus for almost 3 years, i can tell you there are Jews who see themselves as both Jews & Christians. There is NO contradiction. Both leading Apostles, Paul & Peter, where not adverse to being called a Christian.

Acts 26:28-29 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.

1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Furthermore, the blessed Apostle Paul, himself "a Hebrew of Hebrews" (Phil. 3:5), declared -

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

There are more Jews coming to faith in Y'shua in the 20th/21st centuries as they did in the 1st.

We must define a Jew - is it one who is a follower of Judaism as a Christian is one that follows the tenets of Christianity or is Jewishness defined as an ethnicity only. Why is it one can be a Jew with no objection yet be an 'atheist' yet someone who believes in Y'shua cannot be?? It is belief in 'Rabbinical' Judaism rather than Torah/Tenach Judaism which clearly points to Christ & to God's triune nature.

The Jewish Prophets prophecied that the coming Messiah would be Divine in origin. That God is triune in nature is NOT a Christian invention, it is most certainly Jewish. The reason the Jewish people have become estranged from the the doctrine of a triune God, the very 'warp and woof' of the writings of Moses in the Torah and the Prophets in the Tenakh is found in the teachings of Moses Maimonides. In the 12th century, he compiled thirteen articles of faith which the Jews accepted and incorporated into their liturgy. One of them is: "I believe with a perfect faith that the Creator, blessed be His Name, is an absolute one." (yachid) This is contrary and diametrically opposed by the Torah and the Tenakh which teaches that God is not a 'yachid', an only one/absolute one but 'achad' a united one! And the word used in the Sh'ma is 'achad' to clarify this. Same word 'achad' that is used to describe both Creation in Genesis 1("and there was evening and there was morning, one day") and marriage in Genesis 2:24, where the "two become one" Moses, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, uses the same word and same analogy to prove the plurality yet oneness that exists both in God's nature (Godhead) and in marriage.

There are more than a few passages in the Old Testament/Hebrew Scriptures that point to a Divine Messiah/plurality within the Being of God -

"The literal Hebrew translation of the Hebrew word used for God, Elohim, is Gods. Elohim is used of both the true God and also the many false gods. In Gen 1:26 it is used of the true God and in verses such as Exodus 20:3 and Deuteronomy 13:2 of false gods. Even one of the commandments say, "Thou shalt not have any other gods (Elohim) before Me." Point being, the Hebrew word for 'God' is a plural noun. Elohim has the Hebrew masculine plural ending. Whenever it is used of the true God, it is always translated in the singular. But, conversely, when used of the false gods, it is always translated into the plural. The fact that the Hebrew word is plural when speaking of the only one true God opens the door to the concept of plurality - not 100% proof because of the usage in Hebrew of 'plurality of majesty.' But certainly a possibility exists that within the God Being there is plurality.

Normally, when Elohim is used of the one true God, the verb with it is singular. This goes contrary to normal Hebrew grammar because in Hebrew grammar the verb must agree with the noun in gender and number. Normally, one would expect that with Elohim, a plural noun, the plural verb would be used, which is true when it is used of false gods. Most of the time whenever the word Elohim is used of the true God, the verb used with it is in the singular number to prove that there is only one true God. But there are exceptions and these exceptions again open the door for the possibility of plurality in the Godhead.

For example, Genesis 20:13a reads:

Genesis 20:13 And it came to pass, when God caused me to wander ...

The Hebrew word that is translated "caused me to wander" is plural. Literally it reads, "And it came to pass, when They (in reference to God) caused me to wander..."

Another example is Genesis 35:7:

Genesis 35:7 And he built there an altar, and called the place Elbethel: because there God appeared unto him...

Here again, "revealed unto him" in Hebrew is a plural form which literally reads, "for there God appeared Themselves."

A third example being 2 Samuel 7:23:

2 Samuel 7:23 ... whom God went ...

Again, the Hebrew word for 'went' is plural, and literally reads, "...whom God They went..."

A fourth example is Psalms 58:11:

Psalms 58:11b "... verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth."

Again, the term "that judgeth" is a plural verb in Hebrew and literally it reads, "he is a God They judge."


THE NOUN 'ELOHIM' APPLIED TO TWO PERSONS

The word Elohim or God is often applied to two different Personalities within the same passage. In Psalms 45:6-7, the writer states:

Psalms 45:6-7 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Notice that the word 'God' is actually given to two different Persons within these two verses. He is addressing 'God', after addressing 'God', he says that anothe God had anointed this God with "the oil of gladness above thy fellows." It should be noted that in this verse the first Elohim is being addressed. The second Elohim is the God of the first Elohim. It is God's God Who has anointed Him with "the oil of gladness."

A second example is in Hosea 1:7:

Hosea 1:7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.

In this passage, the speaker is Elohim or 'God' Who says He "will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them" by the instrumentality of Jehovah their Elohim or their God. In other words, Elohim or God number one will save Israel by means of Elohim or God number two!

THE NAME YHVH APPLIED TO TWO PERSONS

The Name of God, YHVH (often translated Jehovah) is applied to two different Persons in one passage of Scripture. The first example being Genesis 19:24:

Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

In this verse, Jehovah number one rained down fire and brimstone from a second Jehovah Who was in heaven. The first Jehovah (the pre-incarnate Christ) is on earth (He is the judge of all mankind). He is the One Who had appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18 and warned him of the coming destruction of Sodom. That Jehovah Who was on the earth, Jehovah number one, was now raining judgment down on Sodom and Gomorrah from Jehovah number two Who was in heaven. The term 'Jehovah', God's personal Name, is used of two different Persons.

A second example is in Zechariah 2:8-9:

Zechariah 2:8-9 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye. For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.

This verse says that Jehovah number one is the Speaker - "For thus saith the LORD of hosts..." and as He speaks He says that He is being sent to accomplish a task by Jehovah number two. Again, there is one Jehovah sending another Jehovah to perform a specific task.

The evidence is overwhelming that the Being of God is plural and that He is a triune Being, revealed throughout the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments. I have just skimmed the very surface - other evidence that could be brought forward to prove the plurality within the Godhead:

1) The Plural Noun 'Adonai'
2) Plural Pronouns - eg. "Let US make man in OUR image" or "Come, let US go down"
3) Plural Adjectives - eg. Joshua 24:19 reads in English "holy God" but the adjective holy is a plural form which literally reads, "holy Gods"; Ecclesiastes 12:1 "...thy Creator" Again, the word 'Creator' in Hebrew is a plural adjective and literally reads, "thy Creators" In Genesis 33:20: "And he erected there an altar, and called it 'El-Elohe-Israel" 'El' is singular but 'Elohe' is the construct state of Elohim, a plural form. So it literally reads, "God, the Gods of Israel." But the fact that the singular is followed by the plural both in reference to the one true God emphasizes unity!
4) Theophanies - eg. The Angel of Jehovah

Even the Sh'ma (Deuteronomy 6:4), the essence of all forms of Judaism reads:

"Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah."

Where it reads "Jehovah our God", the Hebrew word for God is plural and literally reads, "our Gods."

He who has ears to hear, let him hear and understand the truth of God's Word and His revelation of Himself!"

**The majority of the information above comes from 'Ariel Ministries', Manuscript # 50 entitled "The Trinity" by Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum -
see https://www.ariel.org/arnold-answers to read more of his works**

Do a Google search for other Messianic Jewish organizations, another being Chosen People.
 
God made true His choosing the Jewish people to teach the world what sin is and why we need forgiveness. He also chose the Jews to bring His Son into the world to make that forgiveness effective for Jew and Gentile alike. Since Jesus came into the world the Jews as God's chosen people must accept Jesus as their savior like all must accept Jesus as savior.
Yes examples for how not to be if they are to be of the God of Love as Jesus was of the God of Love to have His same mind. .
You should use this apologetic with caution when evangelizing Jews. If they suspect that to free Christians of blame you are alleging that atheists are actually responsible for the Holocaust, they will see you as trivializing the Holocaust. Many Jews want the world to know the facts about the Holocaust so that it never happens again, so if you make claims about the Holocaust, then you better be ready to back up those claims. What atheist(s) caused the Holocaust, and how do you know?

Many Jews have studied the New Testament, and they see much of it as anti-Jewish especially the Gospel of John. Characterizing Jews as having the Devil as their father and blaming them for Christ's execution can easily be seen as a call for their persecution. That's the way a lot of Jews see it, anyway. You'll need to have a good argument that the way Jews are portrayed in the New Testament is unlikely to have inspired hatred for them.
Yes Judaism does not follow the ways of Christ much as our denominations today dont either.

The way of Christ is to be like the Father of it and anointed of Him to have His same Spirit, mind, of Love, and walk in it no different from the way Jesus walked in it with the same signs following that followed Jesus no different at all.

Not very many of our churches actually follow the ways of Jesus Christ in the Father to be like Him as Jesus was like Him as God demands of us all if we are to be of Him and like Him, because they are sinners instead and will confess they are sinners but never repent from them to be of Christ and without sin.
You lost me here. What points are you referring to? None of the items on the list in the OP could lead a Jew to becoming a Christian. On the contrary, I said those are the reasons why most Jews don't convert. For instance, what Jews would convert to Christianity because they think Jesus is not the Messiah?
Christ is the messiah, Jesus was only messenger for the Christ, Gods anointing, that does come and makes His residence in man to be like Him. The messiah who is at the door knocking this day is the same One who came to Jesus in Matt 3:16 where Jesus opened that door to Him and let Him open up who He is and all of His heaven in Jesus.

Christ in you is the same anointing from God as Jesus had in Him, that is who Christ is, anyone who is anointed of God to be His saint.

Paul incorporated the term Christ at Antioch, but before his term for a man used it as a proper name when in fact Christ is a verb description of ones demeanor.
I suppose that would be a good start to defending Christianity. Just be ready to back up Jesus as the Messiah with good reasons to believe He was the Messiah.
For me, and I know many here in this forum hate me and put me on ignore for being that person of God that Jesus came to show us, or should I say me, what that is to be in the Father myself as he was in the Father himself no different at all.

These are in constant telling me I need to repent and be like them instead of be like Jesus and receieve from God His messiah, which is His Spirit, mind, to change from my thinking like the religious folk here do to think like Him in His terms by having the mind of Christ myself.

For me it isn't about defending Christianity, Jim Jones and David Koresh defended their christianity, it is about having from God the very same as Jesus had from them. These who defend Christianity are actually defending their own rules and regulations of the creeds they follow as in denominations and call it of Christ.

God needs no defense, He is the supreme over it all, and either one is of Him to be like Him or you are not. And everyone knows very well if they are like Him or not as the example He sent to show us what that is to be like Him. You are or you are not of Christ as Jesus was of Christ anointed of God.
 
the format of debate lends to the mess.

where did Christ debate his followers?
Christ routinely argued with friend and foe alike. Take Matthew 22, for instance:

15 Then the Pharisees went and plotted to entrap him in what he said. 16 So they sent their disciples to him, along with the Herodians, saying, “Teacher, we know that you are sincere, and teach the way of God in accordance with truth, and show deference to no one, for you do not regard people with partiality. 17 Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar or not?” 18 But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, “Why are you putting me to the test, you hypocrites? 19 Show me the coin used for the tax.” And they brought him a denarius. 20 Then he said to them, “Whose head is this and whose title?” 21 They answered, “Caesar’s.” Then he said to them, “Give therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and to God the things that are God’s.” 22 When they heard this, they were amazed, and they left him and went away.

Now, I'm not sure why you ask if Christ debated his followers because the OP raises the issue of Christians defending their doctrines not against Christ's followers but against the criticisms of Jews. But we do have instances of Jesus arguing with his apostles in Luke 9: 51-55 and in Matthew 16:23.
 
Christ routinely argued with friend and foe alike. Take Matthew 22, for instance:



Now, I'm not sure why you ask if Christ debated his followers because the OP raises the issue of Christians defending their doctrines not against Christ's followers but against the criticisms of Jews. But we do have instances of Jesus arguing with his apostles in Luke 9: 51-55 and in Matthew 16:23.
i only refer to followers.... so where was the debating?
 
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