Deuteronomy 7:6-8 - A Chosen People

[ReverendRV]

Amen to that!

Fundamentals!

 

[guest1]

Fundamentals!

It always is brother !

 

[preacher4truth]

@praise_yeshua Why did God choose to save Israel?

1. God wanted to
2. Israel wanted God to
3. Other

Israel had choice meats. Corn beef reubens, pastrami reubens, or either meat on rye. Plus the bagels. Then there's the rye bread all on its own. They were therefore elected conditionally just like anti-Calvinists. See, it's all biblical!

 

[Carbon]

Israel had choice meats. Corn beef reubens, pastrami reubens, or either meat on rye. Plus the bagels. Then there's the rye bread all on its own. They were therefore elected conditionally just like anti-Calvinists. See, it's all biblical!

Those in the southern parts had grits. Don’t forget the grits!

 

[guest1]

Those in the southern parts had grits. Don’t forget the grits!

And greens with some hominy or black eyes peas 😎

 

[eternomade]

Israel had choice meats. Corn beef reubens, pastrami reubens, or either meat on rye. Plus the bagels. Then there's the rye bread all on its own. They were therefore elected conditionally just like anti-Calvinists. See, it's all biblical!

They had bagels back then? Was that the manna from heaven?

 

[ReverendRV]

He used the word "Unconditional". Is that not what he said? I simply stated the truth. That even though he is saying it is unconditional, he is attributing the condition that brings it about to God.

If he is wrong, then he is blaming his own conditions on God.

Good news to you only?

Unconditional regarding us, but certainly conditioned on God...

Conditioned on God's Unmerited Favor...

 

[ReverendRV]

So you do not consider God's perspective? or how your words reflect upon Him?

No, by definition Grace is Unconditional because it's Unmerited Favor...

 

[ReverendRV]

You're placing the condition upon God and crediting God with your own perspective.

Does not God do as He pleases? Yet, here you are confining His choices to your reasoning.

Why do you say that, when you agree that God's Grace is God's Unmerited Favor for me?

 

[ReverendRV]

Because you create a condition wherein Grace is applied to you and not to those just like you.

God creates the qualification for Election; IE his Unmerited Favor...

Are you against God's Grace??

 

[guest1]

God chose His Son. Not you. Not me. His son. It is a false Gospel to lay another other foundation. Your doctrine replaces this Truth revealed to us by God with yourself and those you believe to be like you.



No. I'm the one that truly believes it means unmerited. You do not. You create the scenario in your theology wherein YOU are preferred over those like you.

I say and the Gospel says that Jesus Christ was God's Chosen. God choose HIMSELF. Self satisfying and Eternal. God's GRACE is truly unmerited in such.

Your application of "grace" prefers YOU.

are you ok with saying God extends His grace to us via the Son ?

 

[ReverendRV]

God chose His Son. Not you. Not me. His son. It is a false Gospel to lay another other foundation. Your doctrine replaces this Truth revealed to us by God with yourself and those you believe to be like you.



No. I'm the one that truly believes it means unmerited. You do not. You create the scenario in your theology wherein YOU are preferred over those like you.

I say and the Gospel says that Jesus Christ was God's Chosen. God choose HIMSELF. Self satisfying and Eternal. God's GRACE is truly unmerited in such.

Your application of "grace" prefers YOU.

You're correct, God does prefer me before I've done anything Good to deserve Election and before I've done anything Bad to not deserve Election; and believing the Gospel is something Good I did...

Yes, please give me a soapbox to Glorify God for Choosing me; because I wouldn't have chosen him...

 

[ReverendRV]

You're robbing the honor due Jesus Christ.

If you were not so caught up in the arguments between two carnal systems you'd recognize it brother.

No, I can't rob honor from Jesus because his Grace is Unmerited Favor of me, and is sufficient for me...

His selection of me is entirely his own doing; and was Unmerited by me...

 

[eternomade]

So being Chosen implies no merit?

Yes.

Edit. Being chosen is not based upon anything. It's unconditional upon man. Conditional on Jesus Christ.

 

[Reformedguy]

Why do you deserve grace and mercy?

I dont. Hence, I am saved by grace. "Unmerited favor"

 

[Theo1689]

Yes.

Edit. Being chosen is not based upon anything. It's unconditional upon man. Conditional on Jesus Christ.

Conditional on the Triune God.
Conditional on the Father, who elects;
Conditional on the Son, who atones;
Conditional on the Spirit, who regenerates.
All 3 persons working together, unified, in concert.

 

[Theo1689]

Those in the southern parts had grits. Don’t forget the grits!

Vinny: "They're grits? What's a grit?
Cook: "you never heard of grits? Them's hominy grits."
Vinny: "Sure I heard of grits. I've just never seen a grit before."
("My Cousin Vinny")

 

[guest1]

Conditional on the Triune God.
Conditional on the Father, who elects;
Conditional on the Son, who atones;
Conditional on the Spirit, who regenerates.
All 3 persons working together, unified, in concert.

Amen

Ephesians 1:3-14

3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8 that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, 9 he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10 to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.

11 In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12 in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.


Paul gives praise, glory and honor to the Father in 1:3-6
Paul gives praise, glory and honor to the Son in 1:7-12
Paul gives praise, glory and honor to the Holy Spirit in 1:13-14

Salvation is Assigned by the Father
Salvation is Achieved through the Son
Salvation is Active from the Holy Spirit

Hence once again we see the Trinity in Action in the life of the believer! Salvation is administered and assigned by the Father, accomplished and achieved through the Son and applied and activated by the Holy Spirit. We see the Trinity in action in the Redemption of the believer.

hope this helps !!!

 

[ReverendRV]

Your claims are bogus. You have replaced God merited favor in Jesus Christ with YOU. You thusly are claiming merit.

Saying it was "god" doesn't elevate the condition.

Nah; they're not bogus. I am Elect of God due to his Unmerited Favor of me...

 

[eternomade]

Being conditional upon Jesus Christ makes your claim inaccurate. It can not be both conditional and unconditional.

Did you not know what I meant?