Did God Initially Create Adam With A Sin Nature?

[brightfame52]

A further thought. When God breathed life into Adam, I believe that points to the idea that Adam was made in God's image, as we all were. That was Adam's creation, not his regeneration.
When Jesus breathed on the disciples and told them to receive the Spirit, He was prophesying the day of pentecost as well as referencing what happened to Adam. The Father's breath is our birth; the Spirit's breath is our rebirth. And while I don't think it is quite that simple, there is a truth to that statement.

Since God created Adam in Gods Image, that necessitated his future regeneration, because Gods Image lies in man being conformed to the Image of Christ, His Son, who is the Image of God. Chirst is the standard of Gods Image, not adam as a natural man. 2 Cor 4:4

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Rom 8 29

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

 

[TomFL]

Since God created Adam in Gods Image, that necessitated his future regeneration, because Gods Image lies in man being conformed to the Image of Christ, His Son, who is the Image of God. Chirst is the standard of Gods Image, not adam as a natural man. 2 Cor 4:4

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Rom 8 29

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Did you understand Ro 8:29 concerns those who were known formerly by God and loved God

Rom. 8:28 —KJV
“And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.”

 

[Truther]

Thinking outside the box (Part 1)

I know this is an odd question, and your knee-jerk reaction is to answer with an emphatic NO... but consider this...

Does God have the natural “ability” to sin?

Was Adam made in the image of God?

Where did Adams “ability” to sin come from?

Did God make Adam with the natural “ability” to sin?

So again... Did God Initially Create Adam With A Sin Nature... unlike God’s nature?

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A few extra thought provoking questions on the subject.

What if we have been thinking about it all wrong?

If we call it an “ability”... does it make God “less able” than man?

Why would God create us with an “ability” that He considers a negative thing not allowed in heaven?

What if it is actually a “disability” and God simply does not have the “disability” to sin?

Shouldn’t it be called a “disability” sense God does not have it?

If God created us with a natural “disability” what keeps us from being “totally disabled”?

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I thought this would make for an interesting conversation.
What are you guys thoughts?

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P.S. - If God is not “disabled”, does this mean Satan is “Totally Disabled”?

The first Adam introduced sin, not a sin nature.

The human race kept sinning ever since.

The last Adam introduced the ability to overcome sin.

Believers in the last Adam were made free from their sins.

The Bible is a simple story of 2 Adam's.

Both were individual's and both were son's of God.

One failed and one passed.

The failed Adam was made in the image of the latter, overcoming Adam.(which last Adam, God knew from the foundation of the world).

 

[brightfame52]

Did you understand Ro 8:29 concerns those who were known formerly by God and loved God

Rom. 8:28 —KJV
“And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.”

You missed my point entirely !

 

[TomFL]

You missed my point entirely !

I did not ask you about your point

I did ask

Did you understand Ro 8:29 concerns those who were known formerly by God and loved God

Rom. 8:28 —KJV
“And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.”

 

[brightfame52]

I did not ask you about your point

I did ask

Did you understand Ro 8:29 concerns those who were known formerly by God and loved God

Rom. 8:28 —KJV
“And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.”

Then why did you respond to it ?

 

[TomFL]

Then why did you respond to it ?

You don't have to answer if you don't want

I did ask

Did you understand Ro 8:29 concerns those who were known formerly by God and loved God

Rom. 8:28 —KJV
“And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.”

 

[brightfame52]

You don't have to answer if you don't want

I did ask

Did you understand Ro 8:29 concerns those who were known formerly by God and loved God

Rom. 8:28 —KJV
“And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.”

I wont. Until you let me know you understood what you responded to. Other than that its a rabbit trail !

 

[TomFL]

I wont. Until you let me know you understood what you responded to. Other than that its a rabbit trail !

Fine don't answer

My only interest in your post at this time was that which I stated

 

[brightfame52]

Fine don't answer

My only interest in your post at this time was that which I stated

Fine, I wont !

 

[TomFL]

Fine, I wont !

Fine

 

[armylngst]

The sin nature says we will sin. Adam didn't have to sin as he could have told the serpent to go away.

A disability says Adam will sin. No matter what. Adam had the ability to sin...just like the fallen angels. We have the disability because we are a fallen race.

Adam didn't sin because of the serpent. Read the story again. Adam sinned with his eyes WIDE OPEN. Eve was the only one who was tempted and deceived by the serpent. I consider the theory that Adam ate the fruit because he did not want to lose Eve, and actually loved her as God intended. If Eve was not there, we wouldn't be here today. Note how Adam blamed Eve for his eating of the fruit, he did not blame the serpent.

 

[CrowCross]

Adam didn't sin because of the serpent. Read the story again. Adam sinned with his eyes WIDE OPEN. Eve was the only one who was tempted and deceived by the serpent. I consider the theory that Adam ate the fruit because he did not want to lose Eve, and actually loved her as God intended. If Eve was not there, we wouldn't be here today. Note how Adam blamed Eve for his eating of the fruit, he did not blame the serpent.

Not directly but the serpent deceived Eve. I've considered the same theory and can agree with it.

There is some debate if Adam was there when Eve was talking to the serpent.

 

[brightfame52]

Adam didn't sin because of the serpent. Read the story again. Adam sinned with his eyes WIDE OPEN. Eve was the only one who was tempted and deceived by the serpent. I consider the theory that Adam ate the fruit because he did not want to lose Eve, and actually loved her as God intended. If Eve was not there, we wouldn't be here today. Note how Adam blamed Eve for his eating of the fruit, he did not blame the serpent.

I believe by Adams submitting to his wife's giving him of the fruit, also showed that his nature was as sinful as hers, for she came out of him. The same properties in eves flesh that appealed to the serpent's enticement were in Adam as well. Of course this whole scene was according to Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will !

 

[SovereignGrace]

Not directly but the serpent deceived Eve. I've considered the same theory and can agree with it.

There is some debate if Adam was there when Eve was talking to the serpent.

Personally, I think he was. It said she ate then gave it to him. Reads like he was there. But that doesn’t mean I am right. It just seems that way to me.

 

[CrowCross]

Personally, I think he was. It said she ate then gave it to him. Reads like he was there. But that doesn’t mean I am right. It just seems that way to me.

One has to wonder why Adam said or did nothing when Evw was talking to the serpent.

 

[SovereignGrace]

One has to wonder why Adam said or did nothing when Evw was talking to the serpent.

Well, I’m not 100% sure Adam was there when they conversed, but it does seem so. But maybe he wasn’t and she walked over and gave it to him. I think he was, but not fully convinced he was.

 

[CrowCross]

Well, I’m not 100% sure Adam was there when they conversed, but it does seem so. But maybe he wasn’t and she walked over and gave it to him. I think he was, but not fully convinced he was.

If Adam was there I think he would have said..."Hey, whoa dude serpent...back off. That's my wife you're trying to deceive.
Wouldn't you?

But we are given little details and must speculate. But as you suggested...perhaps Adam came into the picture after Eve was deceived and ate the fruit.

 

[SovereignGrace]

If Adam was there I think he would have said..."Hey, whoa dude serpent...back off. That's my wife you're trying to deceive.
Wouldn't you?

But we are given little details and must speculate. But as you suggested...perhaps Adam came into the picture after Eve was deceived and ate the fruit.

There‘s a saying I read once on another Christian forum, “Where the Bible doesn’t speak, neither should we.” So, regardless which side of this we fall on, it’s not a hill worth dying on, as we cannot know with 100% certainty he was or wasn’t there. It seems he was as it says she ate and then gave to him. So, it appears he was there, but it could be she ate and then went and gave to him. I just don’t know which is true. I believe he was there, but realize I don’t know with 100% certainty he was.

 

[Theo1689]

Thinking outside the box (Part 1)

Augustine taught the following:

Pre-fall	1) able to sin, able not to sin (posse peccare, posse non peccare);
post-fall	2) not able not to sin (non posse non peccare);
regenerated man	3) able not to sin (posse non peccare);
glorified man	4) unable to sin (non posse peccare).