Did God Initially Create Adam With A Sin Nature?

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armylngst

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brightfame52 said:
I know what the verse says. It doesn't apply here in my opinion. Again I gave you a reason. If you ignored it or disagreed with and then impute on me that I said God is evil, to me that is dishonesty and I will leave that with God.
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Can you not realize that I am trying to stop you from speculating, because in the end it doesn't matter what you said, or what I said, and if God decides that you called Him evil...He never loses. I freely admit that my speculation that Adam ate the fruit out of love for Eve is speculation, but it makes sense to me as a possibility.
 
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brightfame52

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armylngst said:
Can you not realize that I am trying to stop you from speculating, because in the end it doesn't matter what you said, or what I said, and if God decides that you called Him evil...He never loses. I freely admit that my speculation that Adam ate the fruit out of love for Eve is speculation, but it makes sense to me as a possibility.
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We will see at the Judgment ! May God judge between you and I !
 
Sketo

Sketo

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CrowCross said:
The sin nature says we will sin. Adam didn't have to sin as he could have told the serpent to go away.
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In looking at all humans after Adam, we can point to the sinful nature as the motivation behind all sin.
However, Adam didn't have that sinful nature.

What can we point at as the motivation behind Adams sin?
 
CrowCross

CrowCross

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Sketo said:
In looking at all humans after Adam, we can point to the sinful nature as the motivation behind all sin.
However, Adam didn't have that sinful nature.

What can we point at as the motivation behind Adams sin?
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Adam obtained the sin nature.
 
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brightfame52

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Sketo said:
In looking at all humans after Adam, we can point to the sinful nature as the motivation behind all sin.
However, Adam didn't have that sinful nature.

What can we point at as the motivation behind Adams sin?
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His flesh. The law is Spiritual and Adam was created natural and in the flesh. The flesh is weak and can't keep the law of God.
 
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TomFL

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Sketo said:
In looking at all humans after Adam, we can point to the sinful nature as the motivation behind all sin.
However, Adam didn't have that sinful nature.

What can we point at as the motivation behind Adams sin?
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God's determination if you are going to hold to meticulous determination of all things
 
Sketo

Sketo

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TomFL said:
Sketto so you do hold Adam fell based on God's determination ?
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Do you think God didn’t know what he was doing when he allowed Satan into the Garden?

He meticulously designed Adam, Eve, The Garden, and Satan and HE threw them all into the same place!

Do you seriously believe this was a surprise to God?!

like God said “oops... didn’t expect that”!
 
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TomFL

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Sketo said:
Do you think God didn’t know what he was doing when he allowed Satan into the Garden?

He meticulously designed Adam, Eve, The Garden, and Satan and HE threw them all into the same place!

Do you seriously believe this was a surprise to God?!

like God said “oops... didn’t expect that”!
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No one stated anything about a surprise there is a difference between foreknowledge and determination

You have opted for determination

so God according to you determined the fall and that all of humanity would fall in Adam yes ?

and would be born in a state where he could not avoid sin, could not respond to God in a positive manner and would be a hater of God

Correct ?
 
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CrowCross

CrowCross

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TomFL said:
No one stated anything about a surprise there is a difference between foreknowledge and determination

You have opted for determination

so God according to you determined the fall and that all of humanity would fall in Adam yes ?

and would be born in a state where he could not avoid sin, could not respond to God in a positive manner and would be a hater of God

Correct ?
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How does God know what's going to happen in Revelations?
 
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