Did God know before the world began WHO WOULD BELIEVE, and WHO WOULD NOT BELIEVE?????

Fred said:
Yes, because those who would believe are those whom He chose (Ephesians 1:4).
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Yes, indeed.

Do you believe the proclamation of the Gospel is primarily directed toward those sinners God knows will believe, even though those proclaiming the Gospel have no idea who those sinners chosen before the foundation of the world are?
 
Howie said:
Yes, indeed.

Do you believe the proclamation of the Gospel is primarily directed toward those sinners God knows will believe, even though those proclaiming the Gospel have no idea who those sinners chosen before the foundation of the world are?
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I agree with the second part. The first part I am not sure.
 
fltom said:
Of course

Only open theist and some Calvinists do not believe God could know what he did not determine
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Thanks, Tom.

Do you believe the proclamation of the Gospel is primarily directed toward those sinners God knows will believe, even though those proclaiming the Gospel have no idea who those sinners chosen before the foundation of the world are?
 
civic said:
God is Omniscient so Yes
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Thanks.

Do you believe the proclamation of the Gospel is primarily directed toward those sinners God knows will believe, even though those proclaiming the Gospel have no idea who those sinners chosen before the foundation of the world are?
 
Howie said:
Yes, indeed.

Do you believe the proclamation of the Gospel is primarily directed toward those sinners God knows will believe, even though those proclaiming the Gospel have no idea who those sinners chosen before the foundation of the world are?
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It's not really God knows who would believe....but rather God choose those prior to the beginning of the world...who he would would give ears to hear. Those who He would grant the ability to come to Christ Jesus.

It is true, we don't know who God has chosen so we should spread the gospel to all.
 
Howie said:
Thanks.

Do you believe the proclamation of the Gospel is primarily directed toward those sinners God knows will believe, even though those proclaiming the Gospel have no idea who those sinners chosen before the foundation of the world are?
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The gospel goes out to all and commanded and the ones who are elect/chosen/predestined will come to Christ. The gospel has various effencts on people as the parable of the 4 soils teaches.

Matthew 13
That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”

11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:

“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15 For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’

16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. 23 But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”
 
civic said:
The gospel goes out to all and commanded and the ones who are elect/chosen/predestined will come to Christ. The gospel has various effencts on people as the parable of the 4 soils teaches.

Matthew 13
That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”

10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”

11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables:

“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:

“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15 For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’

16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. 23 But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”
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Correct. We also understand from that, that Jesus didn't die for all men.
 
CrowCross said:
It's not really God knows who would believe....but rather God choose those prior to the beginning of the world...who he would would give ears to hear. Those who He would grant the ability to come to Christ Jesus.

It is true, we don't know who God has chosen so we should spread the gospel to all.
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Exactly. I think the disagreement is how does He know. By simple observation, which creates all kinds of problems, or because those who believe are be Gods decree.
 
Howie said:
Correct. We also understand from that, that Jesus didn't die for all men.
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You are changing from the gospel being preached to all of the world to another topic. But thats ok as there are lots of other threads about that topic
 
Howie said:
Same topic, and it's my OP.
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Enjoy where it takes you, I'm off the bus now at the last stop. :)

So your intention in the OP really had nothing to do with Omniscience but another doctrine that you just brought up out of left field.

And you are right its " your " OP and you are not staying on topic. :ROFLMAO:

Oh the irony.

Thanks anyways.
 
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