Did God Predestine Me To Add This Thread?
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ReverendRV
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Did God Predestinate your Thread? I think so...
But not to the point of excluding you also Predestinating it your own self...
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ReverendRV
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God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass;1 yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein;2 nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established;3 in which appears His wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing His decree.4
JNelson
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I believe your saying that I can make my own free choices so long as they don’t cause me to go outside of God’s overall predetermined plan for my life, right?
Thanks!
ReverendRV
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I'm saying something like that, but not exactly. I use Jesus as an example. He said, 'Father take this Cup from me; yet not my Will but your Will be done'. I think Jesus could have freely chosen against the Will of God for his Life, but perish the thought. So I think the same principle applies to the Providence of God in your life, and your own personal providence for your life...
These two Wills always flow Concurrently without mixing...
Reformedguy
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As always, it's important to define your terms. What do you mean by free will? Free from what to choose what?
JNelson
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Free in the sense that I have two options to choose from and I can truly choose either one. For example, I can choose to read my Bible or to read a news article in the morning.
Reformedguy
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Does God know your choice before it is made?
JNelson
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I agree, Jesus could have definitely chose to go against God’s will but he chose God’s will over his own.
So did God plan everything perfectly because he knows the outcome of every decision beforehand or does God predetermine our choices to fall within his will/providence?
JNelson
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Yes, I believe he does
ReverendRV
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God Predetermines all things which comes to pass. The Bible says that God turns the heads of Kings live Rivers, so in part Predestination is just an extrapolation on this; to believe that God turns the heads of everyone. Turning the head of a King, turns the heads of Generals, Tax Payers, etc. Turning the head of a King may have been to provide more Food Stamps and Government Cheese for a little Child; not for the sake of a King. But of course if more than this is needed, more Scripture can be given. ~ I often say these are the Theology Boards, not the Verbatim Verse Boards. People will often ask for a word-for-word Verse that says what we teach; that would be nice, wouldn't it? But since a lot of Gospel Truth comes from Systematic Theology, it's appropriate to defend Doctrines with Theology...
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eternomade
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Every one. He is the 1st cause of all things yet He is not the author of sin.
Reformedguy
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So how is it you actually have a choice the second it's made if it's known ahead of time? Can you choose other than God knows your going to choose?
ReverendRV
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Don't give up...
Theo1689
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Where does the Bible teach that we have that ability?
SovereignGrace
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JNelson
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Knowing what I will choose is not the same as predetermining my choice because then it’s not actually a choice.
Sketo
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God, Planed, Purposed, and Determined all things that come to pass in creation, before creation, and this “all things” includes sin.
Like the “Author” of everything that is Planed, Purposed, Determined about his book before his book exists.
God is the “Author” of sin on the Transcendent Level as Creator Sustainer!
When people say “God is not the Author of sin” they should only be referring to God as not the direct cause, on the Storyline level, of the sinful actions of men.
On the Storyline Level God is not the direct cause of sin in the same way that he IS the direct cause of the righteous acts of the Elect, by the Holy Spirit.
To say that God is not the “Author” of sin AT ALL is to suggest that some other Ultimate power brought something into existence out of nothing and this would suggest the heresy of Dualism!
Also, people falsely assume that “sin” is a created thing but “sin” is not created by man or by God… “sin” is merely a description of an action that breaks a law.
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Theo1689
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Yes, but Scripture doesn't say God merely "knows what [you] will choose".
It talks about "predestining" PEOPLE.
You're engaging in rationalization and assumption, rather than simply believing Scripture.
1) Where does Scripture teach that we "choose to believe"?
2) Why does there need to be two "possible" alternatives, for you to willingly "choose" (ie. select) the one you did?
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No Jesus could not of sinned nor choose anything contrary to the Father.
We call it Impeccability . Later today we will be digging deeper into the Trinity.
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