Theo1689
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well I guess that you are right but try reading ALL of your Bible or, get the second half of the one you now use..
How very insulting of you.
Do you think "insulting" is a Chrsitian virtue, "fruit of the Spirit"?
(I don't.)
Ro 6:14 For sin will not have authority over you; because you are not under legalism but under grace. 15 Therefore, what conclusion should we reach? "Let's go on sinning, because we're not under legalism but under grace"? Heaven forbid! 16 Don't you know that if you present yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, then, of the one whom you are obeying, you are slaves - whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to being made righteous?
17 By God's grace, you, who were once slaves to sin,
"By God's grace"?
What translation is this?
KJV: "But God be thanked"
ESV: "But thanks be to God"
NET: "But thanks be to God"
NASB "But thanks be to God"
Why should God be thanked, if it was our imaginary "free will"?
Or how can it be "by God's grace", if it was by our imaginary "free will"?
obeyed from your heart the pattern of teaching to which you were exposed; 18 and after you had been set free [passive] from sin, you became enslaved to righteousness. 19 (I am using popular language because your human nature is so weak.) For just as you used to offer your various parts as slaves to impurity and lawlessness, which led to more lawlessness; so now offer your various parts as slaves to righteousness, which leads to being made holy, set apart for God.
Thank you for quoting one of my favourite passages.
Unfortunately for you, it supports my view, and refutes yours.
(Btw, next time you should probably ASK me if I'm familiar with a passage of the Bible, rather than insultingly and ignorantly ASSUMING I'm not familiar with it. It's that "charity" concept that Christ like to speak about. Just sayin'...)
1 Thes 5:8 But since we belong to the day, let us stay sober, putting on trust and love as a breastplate and the hope of being delivered as a helmet.
9 For God has not intended that we should experience his fury, but that we should gain deliverance through our Lord Yeshua the Messiah,
10 who died on our behalf so that whether we are alive or dead, we may live along with him. 11 Therefore, encourage each other, and build each other up - just as you are doing. 12 We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are working hard among you, those who are guiding you in the Lord and confronting you in order to help you change. 13 Treat them with the highest regard and love because of the work they are doing. Live at peace among yourselves; 14 but we urge you, brothers, to confront those who are lazy, your aim being to help them change, to encourage the timid, to assist the weak, and to be patient with everyone. 15 See that no one repays evil for evil; on the contrary, always try to do good to each other, indeed, to everyone. 16 Always be joyful. 17 Pray regularly. 18 In everything give thanks, for this is what God wants from you who are united with the Messiah Yeshua.
Not sure what your point is in quoting this passage.
Nothing about "free will" here...