Did God sacrifice Himself to Himself to save us from Himself because of a rule He made Himself?

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God did not sacrifice Himself to Himself to save us from Himself because of a rule He made Himself. No, there are spiritual realities as certain as any physical reality or law of nature that we can observe: one of those realities is that death follows sin. But the God who is Love (1 John 4:8) sent His Son to save us from our sin and the evil that naturally befalls those who reject the good. “Love was compressed for all history in that lonely figure on the cross, who said that he could call down angels at any moment on a rescue mission, but chose not to—because of us. At Calvary, God accepted his own unbreakable terms of justice” (Philip Yancy, from Where Is God When It Hurts?, Zondervan, 1990).

There are a few issues with that answer.

On one hand, they believe Jesus is God and that he was sacrificed for the sins of mankind. And on the other they say God did not sacrifice Himself. So it implies that there is a God who was sacrificed and a God who wasn't.

The other thing is the second statement: "God...sent His Son to save us from our sin and the evil that naturally befalls those who reject the good. "

But God's "plan" to save us from sin involved sending His son (also God) to be sacrificed when He could have just saved us from sin without a sacrifice. So God did sacrifice Himself to Himself to save us from Himself because of a rule He made Himself.
 
My God sent Jesus as example for who and what I am supposed to be like Him as His example was like Him. He in me and I inHim are one.
 
But God's "plan" to save us from sin involved sending His son (also God) to be sacrificed when He could have just saved us from sin without a sacrifice. So God did sacrifice Himself to Himself to save us from Himself because of a rule He made Himself.

Isaiah had a vision of God and he was surrounded by Seraphim who were saying, "Holy, holy, holy." Because God is holy he cannot allow sin to go unpunished. This is not just an arbitrary rule he has established but the primary aspect of what he is like. But he loves us and wants us to be reconciled to him. Because he is also infinitely wise he was able to find a way to bring about this reconciliation without violating his holiness.
 
found this question on a site called "gotquestions dot org"

Here's an excerpt of the answer:



There are a few issues with that answer.

On one hand, they believe Jesus is God and that he was sacrificed for the sins of mankind. And on the other they say God did not sacrifice Himself. So it implies that there is a God who was sacrificed and a God who wasn't.

The other thing is the second statement: "God...sent His Son to save us from our sin and the evil that naturally befalls those who reject the good. "

But God's "plan" to save us from sin involved sending His son (also God) to be sacrificed when He could have just saved us from sin without a sacrifice. So God did sacrifice Himself to Himself to save us from Himself because of a rule He made Himself.
if you read 1 Cor 2 :14-15 you understand that there two explanations of Christ Theology, one for natural folk and other for spiritual folk. The current church is natural based, so explanation used is remote from spirit.
 
if you read 1 Cor 2 :14-15 you understand that there two explanations of Christ Theology, one for natural folk and other for spiritual folk. The current church is natural based, so explanation used is remote from spirit.
Exactly but the religious mind cant comprehend that what is Spirit. Jesus had a terrible time getting that message across. The religious mind worships a man as a god instead of the God who was in that man.
 
Exactly but the religious mind cant comprehend that what is Spirit. Jesus had a terrible time getting that message across. The religious mind worships a man as a god instead of the God who was in that man.
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves."
It happened.
 
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves."
It happened.
Yes and there are many of these. They are labeled denominations who has no intent in following Jesus to the Father that we may be like Him and perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect, and walk as He walks in His same light with the same signs following. All these want is your 10% wages on a Sunday Morning, or Friday, or Saturday or Monday, which ever day these religious enterprises has set for you to come and support their enterprise with money and votive gifts.

God don't want my lil ole 10%, man wants that, God wants my 100%.
 
found this question on a site called "gotquestions dot org"

Here's an excerpt of the answer:



There are a few issues with that answer.

On one hand, they believe Jesus is God and that he was sacrificed for the sins of mankind. And on the other they say God did not sacrifice Himself. So it implies that there is a God who was sacrificed and a God who wasn't.

The other thing is the second statement: "God...sent His Son to save us from our sin and the evil that naturally befalls those who reject the good. "

But God's "plan" to save us from sin involved sending His son (also God) to be sacrificed when He could have just saved us from sin without a sacrifice. So God did sacrifice Himself to Himself to save us from Himself because of a rule He made Himself.
The real reason to be sought...

Did God plan the fall of man? If so? Why?
 
The real reason to be sought...

Did God plan the fall of man? If so? Why?
The fall of man is to gain Gods Spirit, You cant be of self and be of God. That man in carnality, a mind centered on flesh, has to fall in order for the man if Spirit to emerge from that grave. Jesus revered to this awakening a born again to walk as his Father walks in His same light just as Jesus did no different at all.

Jesus himself had to go through this enlightenment in Matt 3:16. He didn't know God or His Spirit either until God came to him by His Spirit and opened up who He is and His heaven in that man and He does the very same in all who will receive the same from Him as Jesus did.
 

Did God sacrifice Himself to Himself to save us from Himself because of a rule He made Himself?​

Yes.
There is nothing Omniscience cannot know. There is no thing Omnipotence cannot accomplish. There is nowhere Omnipresence cannot be found.

Maybe now the question to ponder, and it can take many avenues in doing so is, why did God predestine the fall?

BTW, if not mistaken Got Questions staff are 4 point Calvinist.
 
Yes.
There is nothing Omniscience cannot know. There is no thing Omnipotence cannot accomplish. There is nowhere Omnipresence cannot be found.

Maybe now the question to ponder, and it can take many avenues in doing so is, why did God predestine the fall?

BTW, if not mistaken Got Questions staff are 4 point Calvinist.
The fall of man is to become like Him. Gen 3:122. Even Adam learned this lesson. The old man in carnality has to fall in order for the new man anointed of God to emerge out from that old man.

Jesus referred to this fall of the old man and resurrection of the new man as born again. The old ways of thinking pass away and all things become new. A new heaven and earth is popped.

See Matt 3:16. Jesus came out of the old, the laws regulation the temples he once taught in in even at a young age, and walls, God came to him and opened up a whole new understanding to him. See Matt 3:16. this is what happens in us all who is born again.
 
The fall of man is to become like Him. Gen 3:122. Even Adam learned this lesson. The old man in carnality has to fall in order for the new man anointed of God to emerge out from that old man.

Jesus referred to this fall of the old man and resurrection of the new man as born again. The old ways of thinking pass away and all things become new. A new heaven and earth is popped.

See Matt 3:16. Jesus came out of the old, the laws regulation the temples he once taught in in even at a young age, and walls, God came to him and opened up a whole new understanding to him. See Matt 3:16. this is what happens in us all who is born again.
We were created perfect and unblemished in the beginning by God.
 
We were created perfect and unblemished in the beginning by God.
Yes, and all today who is born of God are perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. And when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him, in His same Image as Jesus became like Him in Matt 3:16, he didn't know God or His perfections either until God came to him by the Spirit that He is and open up all of who He is and His heaven to that man. We are no different from the same nor was Adam, see Gen 3:22, same thing happend in him that happened in Jesus in Matt 3:16, Abraham, Moses, 120 in an upper room. We all receive the same perfections of our father who is God if we are born of God as these were by His Spirit, Born again. The same happens in us all today who receives His perfections.
 
There are three "self's" in the one God, Yahweh. Each one has his own subjective experience, each is said to have a will. The Father experienced begetting and sacrificing the Son, the Son experienced human birth, life, and death, and the full cup of God's wrath. The Holy Spirit experiences the life of believers. All three experience love, communion, and fellowship with each other.
So the short answer to the question would be no.
 
But God's "plan" to save us from sin involved sending His son (also God) to be sacrificed when He could have just saved us from sin without a sacrifice.
How do you know that? Cuz I don't think you do,.or can, actually know that. If there was another way, then why didn't He answer Jesus' desperate prayer, 'if it is possible, let this cup pass from me'?
The most reasonable inference is that there wasn't another way.
 
found this question on a site called "gotquestions dot org"

Here's an excerpt of the answer:



There are a few issues with that answer.

On one hand, they believe Jesus is God and that he was sacrificed for the sins of mankind. And on the other they say God did not sacrifice Himself. So it implies that there is a God who was sacrificed and a God who wasn't.

The other thing is the second statement: "God...sent His Son to save us from our sin and the evil that naturally befalls those who reject the good. "

But God's "plan" to save us from sin involved sending His son (also God) to be sacrificed when He could have just saved us from sin without a sacrifice. So God did sacrifice Himself to Himself to save us from Himself because of a rule He made Himself.
In the Old Testament covenants were often sealed by blood.

Jesus'/God's New Covenant being no exception.

Also, Jesus' public execution and resurrection sealed the true fact behind the Good News. I.E life beyond death, eternal life, by example of his resurrection.

Jesus sacrifice of his flesh/bread of life, insured his ransome for those sinners called to redemption.

Which is why a glorified body Christ resurrected and carried on his ministry for another 40 days.

Had flesh and blood walked out of the tomb the covenant,ransom, would be invalidated.
 
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