Did Jesus bear Gods wrath and was He forsaken ?

Sethproton

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These are good questions, but I’d say no to the first and after He rose from the dead to the second.
Your answer is unclear.
You say no to the question There is no more human nature?
Then you say yes to when that ended.

Are you meaning to say ther IS no more human nature in God and it ended at the resurrection?

I would think, that if it is true that there is no more human in God, that happened when he left that body of flesh at death.
 

Truther

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For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


This is not "a nature of God", but an individual of a man described by Paul.
 

Truther

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The RCC in the 4th century, turned the individual of a man in the verse into a "nature of God".


For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

As per commentary...For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man (God's human nature)Christ Jesus;
 

Sethproton

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All of your commentators you post would disagree with you.

Here is what they call God's active human nature....


For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
I think mediator is a misunderstood word in the Bible, which is strange seeing it is easily understood in the world.
Moses was the mediator of the first covenant, meaning He was between man and God in receiving the law.
In court, the mediator is between the two parties and drops out of the picture when they go to the judge
Jesus is the mediator of the New covenant in His blood. He did this as a man. He mediated between man and God to get a new agreement. Once the agreement was in place, that office ended.
 

Sethproton

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No, not a unitarian.

They do not believe Jesus is God.

I believe Jesus was MADE God after his God raised him from the dead(via the Col 2:9 effect on his resurrected human spirit body).

Incarnationists teach Jesus was a microscopic God per His origin in Mary.

We are merely 33 years apart.

Jesus taught God was inside him.

We need to break free from the RCC incarnation doctrine.
A note for you, some calvinists here try to pressure people to stop posting who are not Calvinist nor Arminian. But the forum is not called Calvinists and Arminians. This forum is about the two religeous concepts and is open for anyone to discuss them, even in reference to their own beliefs,
 

Truther

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A note for you, some calvinists here try to pressure people to stop posting who are not Calvinist nor Arminian. But the forum is not called Calvinists and Arminians. This forum is about the two religeous concepts and is open for anyone to discuss them, even in reference to their own beliefs,
And that is what makes forums so great.
 

Sethproton

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Jesus said "the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works..."

Did Jesus do the divine works or did his inner Father?
The man Jesus was the conduit. So on one had you can say, as the Bible does, He did miracles. But on the other hand you can say, as the Bible does, the Father did the miracles thru Him. Both, when understood properly, are true
 

Sethproton

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No, read Psalm 2 and 22. Jesus is there as a human in present tense.

I figured you knew that.

I figured you already knew that God witnesses future event, not predicts them.
The word "prophecy" does have a couple meanings/uses.
It can mean to speak the current truth, but it can also mean to speak what is coming.
In the old testament it tells you that prophets are also called seers. They "see" the future and speak about it.
Sometimes they seem to speak things into existence
The word is flexible and needs context to understand the various uses
 

ReverendRV

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It means Christ's human nature doesn't have its own human person in the hypostatic union but has the divine person the Logos.
I don't say that the Trinity consists of Human Personhood. But I deny Jesus is not a Human person. Nothing can be introduced into the Trinity. If you say Jesus Incarnate has always been the Second Person in the Trinity, then the Human Nature is a part of the Trinity; though you exclude the Human Personhood from the Trinity...

It's okay to add a Human Nature to the Godhead; as long as that Human Nature excludes the Human Attribute of Personhood?
 
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ReverendRV

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No, I mean define personless which will in turn shed light on what it actually means. Your above is merely reflective of your philosophical depiction, it isn't following your "personless human nature" phrase.

So, again, define personless.
Humans are persons...

What God has United, let no Man tear it asunder. A human who isn't a person, is like a Human who can't think...
 

Truther

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My posts are being deleted because "God inside Christ "is considered a non Christian doctrine.

Thanks for the chat guys and merry Christmas to all.
 
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