ReverendRV
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I'm glad you are here; I think most of the CARM regulars are Lurking too...
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guest1
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Yes he conquered his power at the cross yet he is still active as a roaring lion. He will meet his final fate at His 2nd Coming.
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And I’m 100% behind his above comments as biblically true and accurate.
Carbon
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Doubt it will do any good.
Guess we will just have accept the fact that we have brothers who believe Jesus was crucified but bore no sins. And since that be the case, God crushed Him and crucified him according to plan, even though he bore no sins, scripture must be mistaken when it claims Christ became sin, and a curse.
And further down the road for some: His righteousness is not imputed unto us, it is our own righteousness that we express in the form of faith unto salvation.
ReverendRV
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We can remain Brothers here, just like when we differ on Eschatology. He's Dispensational, I'm Covenantal; yet we're Brothers...
He probably will say Jesus bore our Sin, without bearing the Wrath of God. But maybe you have a point that Jesus doesn't bear Sin for no reason?
Carbon
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Of course.
There is no wrath where there is no sin. So if there was no wrath, he bore no sin.
Who stated Jesus bore no sins ?
The idea is they were not his sins
his was not guilty of them
and this is scripture
Romans 4:5 (KJV)
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
who does the pronoun refer to
you know the answer so why the pretension you post above
Carbon
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Bore sin without the wrath.
It’s not an idea Tom, it’s a fact.
Tom are you having a problem staying focused?
Amen
and I already explained this to you
That is not PSA
You don't even understand the doctrine you support
A fact denied by PSA
which teaches an imputation of sin to Christ
and claims Jesus is then punished by god for them
And you equivocate now
as if you had not
The fact is you affirmed that in
Romans 4:5 (KJV)
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
it is the faith of the one who believed which is accounted for righteous
No one would know that based on your last few posts
Carbon
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preacher4truth
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You Egyptian, friend? If not you're certainly in Da Nile.
preacher4truth
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You're always answered, and refuted.
Yes, your typical disregard for being answered. Everyone knows this.
You mad, "bro?"
ReverendRV
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Between you and me, where there is no Appeasement of God's Wrath, there is no Remission of Sin...
ReverendRV
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G2433 - hilaskomai - Strong's Greek Lexicon (niv)
G2433 - ἱλάσκομαι hiláskomai, hil-as'-kom-ahee; middle voice from the same as ; to conciliate, i.e. (transitively) to atone for (sin), or (intransitively) be propitious:—be merciful, make reconciliation for.
www.blueletterbible.org
to render one's self, to appease, conciliate to one's self
to become propitious, be placated or appeased
to be propitious, be gracious, be merciful
to expiate, make propitiation for
Carbon
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No one ever said the Fathers wrath was against Christ’s Deity.
ReverendRV
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It can't be...
ReverendRV
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Seth was the first to argue using the definition of Propitiation...
Carbon
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Yea, but I am not so sure he knows what he’s talking about
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Except Gods wrath is upon sin ,death and the devil which Jesus conquered by His Holy Life and laying down His life in love with His death not wrath with Gods anger towards His Beloved Son in Whom He is well pleased .
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