Did Jesus claim to be God?

[puddleglum]

Many who deny the deity of Jesus say that he never claimed to be God. It is true that there is no record of Jesus ever saying the words, “I am God,” but many of the things he said were in fact assertions of his deity.

For example, there is this statement in his Sermon on the Mount.

Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Matthew 5:10-12)

He equated being persecuted for righteousness’ sake for being persecuted for his sake. Only God, the source of all righteousness, could make such a claim. And what about this statement near the end of the sermon?

Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?”And then will I declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.” (Matthew 7:21-23)

In saying that he will decide who enters the kingdom he is claiming to be God, just as the Father is.

He claimed to have the authority to forgive sins.

And they came, bringing to him a paralytic carried by four men. And when they could not get near him because of the crowd, they removed the roof above him, and when they had made an opening, they let down the bed on which the paralytic lay.

And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”

Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts,“Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” (Mark 2:3-7)

The scribes were correct. Only God can forgive sins. Jesus was claiming to be God, and he backed up his claim by what he did next.

And immediately Jesus, perceiving in his spirit that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, “Why do you question these things in your hearts? Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Rise, take up your bed and walk’? But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he said to the paralytic— “I say to you, rise, pick up your bed, and go home.”

And he rose and immediately picked up his bed and went out before them all, so that they were all amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!” (Mark 2:8-12)

There was one time when Jesus plainly said that he was God.

“Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.”

So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” (John 8:56-58)

To understand the significance of what Jesus said we must look at what God said to Moses in their first encounter.

Then Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?”

God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.” (Exodus 3:13-15)

Jesus was declaring that he was the God who spoke to Moses.

Jesus did make one statement which some say was a denial of his deity.

And a ruler asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.” (Luke 18:18,19)

It sounds as if Jesus was telling the ruler he shouldn’t call him good because only God is good, but in fact he didn’t say the ruler was wrong in what he said. He was asking him if he understood. The conversation ended with Jesus again saying he was God.

When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “One thing you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” (Luke 18:22)

The ruler had asked how to inherit eternal life; Jesus said that the way was to follow him.

When we read the gospels in English it might not always be clear that Jesus said he was God, but those who heard him had no trouble understanding.

But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.”

This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. (John 5:17,18)

 

[JustTheFacts]

Please take one claim at a time.
Like the first one~

"Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Matthew 5:10-12)

He equated being persecuted for righteousness’ sake for being persecuted for his sake. Only God, the source of all righteousness, could make such a claim."

WHAT are you talking about!
Blessed are those telling the TRUTH!
Even I make the claim!

 

[puddleglum]

WHAT are you talking about!
Blessed are those telling the TRUTH!
Even I make the claim!

We may be persecuted for doing good but those who persecute us are really rebelling against God.

 

[guest1]

Is Jesus God,did He claim to be God and what did others say about Him ?

1-God is our judge (Ps 50:6, Eccl 12:14) Jesus is our judge (2Tim 4:1, Rev 20:12)
2-God is the temple of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:22) Jesus Christ (the Lamb)is the temple of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:22)
3-God is the first and the last (Is 44:6, 48:12) Jesus is the first and the last (Rev 22:13)
4-God is the beginning and the end (Rev 21:6) Jesus is the beginning and the end (Rev 22:13)
5-Only God can forgive sins (Lk 5:21) Jesus forgives sins (Lk 5:20)
6-God is our hope (Ps 71:5) Jesus is our hope (1Tim 1:11)
7-God is eternal(Deut 33:27) Jesus is eternal (Is 9:6, Heb 1:10-11)
8-God will come with the holy ones (Zech 14:5) Jesus will come with the holy ones (1Thess 3:13)
9-Only God is our savior (Is 43:11) Jesus is our savior (Tit 2:13, 2Pet 1:1)
10-God is the creator of the universe (Is 44:24, Jer 27:5) Jesus is (Jn 1:3)
11-To God, every knee will bow and every tongue confess (Is 45:22-23) To Jesus (Phil 2:10-11)
12-God is the same and His years will have no end (Ps 102:27) Jesus is the same and His years will have no end (Heb 1:12)
13-God is immutable (Mal 3:6) Jesus is immutable (Heb 13:8)
14-God is over all (Ps 97:9) Jesus is over all (Jn 3:31)
15-The spirit of God dwells in us (Rom 8:9) The spirit of Jesus dwells in us (Gal 4:6)
16-God is a stone of offence and a stumbling block (Is 8:14) Jesus is a stone of offence and a stumbling block (1Pet 2:8)
17-God is our shepherd (Ps 23:1) Jesus is our shepherd (Jn 10:11, 1Pet 5:4, Heb 13:20)
18-God is our Lord of Lords (Deut 10:17, Ps 136:3) Jesus is Lord of Lords (Rev 17:14)
19-God is our only rock (Is 44:8, Ps 18:2, 94:22) Jesus is our rock (1Cor 10:4)
20-No one can snatch us out of Gods hand (Deut 32:39) No one can snatch us out of Jesus hand (Jn 10:28)
21-God is the horn of salvation (2Sam 22:3) Jesus is the horn of salvation (Lk 1:68-69)
22-God renders according to our works (Ps 62:12) Jesus renders according to our works (Mt 16:27, Rev 22:12)
23-God loves and corrects (Prov 3:12) Jesus loves and corrects (Rev 3:19)
24-Gods words will stand forever (Is 40:8) Jesus words will stand forever (Mt 24:35)
25-God is the eternal light (Is 60:19) Jesus is the eternal light (Jn 8:12, Rev 21:3)
26-God seeks to save the lost (Ez 34:16) Jesus seeks to save the lost (Lk 19:10)
27-Paul is a slave of God (Tit 1:1) Paul is a slave of Christ (Rom 1:1)
28-God raised Jesus from the dead (Gal 1:1) Jesus raised himself from the dead (Jn 2:19-21)
29-God is our guide (Ps 48:14) Jesus is our guide (Lk 1:79)
30-God is our deliverer (Ps 70:5, 2Sam 22:2) Jesus is our deliverer (Rom 11:26)
31-God is called God (Is 44:8) Jesus is called God (Jn 20:28)
32-God is the king of Israel (Is 44:6) Jesus is the king of Israel (Mt 27:42, Jn 1:19)
33- God is the Alpha and Omega (Rev 1:8) Jesus is the Alpha and Omega (Rev 22:13)
34- God is the king of Kings (1 Tim 5:15-16) Jesus is the King of Kings (Rev 17:14)
35- God is worshiped by all creation( Rev 4-5) Jesus is worshiped by all creation ( Rev 5)

hope this helps !!!

 

[puddleglum]

hope this helps !!!

It does.

 

[Gary Mac]

Many who deny the deity of Jesus say that he never claimed to be God. It is true that there is no record of Jesus ever saying the words, “I am God,” but many of the things he said were in fact assertions of his deity.

For example, there is this statement in his Sermon on the Mount.



He equated being persecuted for righteousness’ sake for being persecuted for his sake. Only God, the source of all righteousness, could make such a claim. And what about this statement near the end of the sermon?



In saying that he will decide who enters the kingdom he is claiming to be God, just as the Father is.

He claimed to have the authority to forgive sins.



The scribes were correct. Only God can forgive sins. Jesus was claiming to be God, and he backed up his claim by what he did next.



There was one time when Jesus plainly said that he was God.



To understand the significance of what Jesus said we must look at what God said to Moses in their first encounter.



Jesus was declaring that he was the God who spoke to Moses.

Jesus did make one statement which some say was a denial of his deity.



It sounds as if Jesus was telling the ruler he shouldn’t call him good because only God is good, but in fact he didn’t say the ruler was wrong in what he said. He was asking him if he understood. The conversation ended with Jesus again saying he was God.



The ruler had asked how to inherit eternal life; Jesus said that the way was to follow him.

When we read the gospels in English it might not always be clear that Jesus said he was God, but those who heard him had no trouble understanding.

Everyone who has received from God that what Jesus received from Him walk in that same deity Jesus walked in from God.

 

[Gary Mac]

Is Jesus God,did He claim to be God and what did others say about Him ?

1-God is our judge (Ps 50:6, Eccl 12:14) Jesus is our judge (2Tim 4:1, Rev 20:12)
2-God is the temple of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:22) Jesus Christ (the Lamb)is the temple of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:22)
3-God is the first and the last (Is 44:6, 48:12) Jesus is the first and the last (Rev 22:13)
4-God is the beginning and the end (Rev 21:6) Jesus is the beginning and the end (Rev 22:13)
5-Only God can forgive sins (Lk 5:21) Jesus forgives sins (Lk 5:20)
6-God is our hope (Ps 71:5) Jesus is our hope (1Tim 1:11)
7-God is eternal(Deut 33:27) Jesus is eternal (Is 9:6, Heb 1:10-11)
8-God will come with the holy ones (Zech 14:5) Jesus will come with the holy ones (1Thess 3:13)
9-Only God is our savior (Is 43:11) Jesus is our savior (Tit 2:13, 2Pet 1:1)
10-God is the creator of the universe (Is 44:24, Jer 27:5) Jesus is (Jn 1:3)
11-To God, every knee will bow and every tongue confess (Is 45:22-23) To Jesus (Phil 2:10-11)
12-God is the same and His years will have no end (Ps 102:27) Jesus is the same and His years will have no end (Heb 1:12)
13-God is immutable (Mal 3:6) Jesus is immutable (Heb 13:8)
14-God is over all (Ps 97:9) Jesus is over all (Jn 3:31)
15-The spirit of God dwells in us (Rom 8:9) The spirit of Jesus dwells in us (Gal 4:6)
16-God is a stone of offence and a stumbling block (Is 8:14) Jesus is a stone of offence and a stumbling block (1Pet 2:8)
17-God is our shepherd (Ps 23:1) Jesus is our shepherd (Jn 10:11, 1Pet 5:4, Heb 13:20)
18-God is our Lord of Lords (Deut 10:17, Ps 136:3) Jesus is Lord of Lords (Rev 17:14)
19-God is our only rock (Is 44:8, Ps 18:2, 94:22) Jesus is our rock (1Cor 10:4)
20-No one can snatch us out of Gods hand (Deut 32:39) No one can snatch us out of Jesus hand (Jn 10:28)
21-God is the horn of salvation (2Sam 22:3) Jesus is the horn of salvation (Lk 1:68-69)
22-God renders according to our works (Ps 62:12) Jesus renders according to our works (Mt 16:27, Rev 22:12)
23-God loves and corrects (Prov 3:12) Jesus loves and corrects (Rev 3:19)
24-Gods words will stand forever (Is 40:8) Jesus words will stand forever (Mt 24:35)
25-God is the eternal light (Is 60:19) Jesus is the eternal light (Jn 8:12, Rev 21:3)
26-God seeks to save the lost (Ez 34:16) Jesus seeks to save the lost (Lk 19:10)
27-Paul is a slave of God (Tit 1:1) Paul is a slave of Christ (Rom 1:1)
28-God raised Jesus from the dead (Gal 1:1) Jesus raised himself from the dead (Jn 2:19-21)
29-God is our guide (Ps 48:14) Jesus is our guide (Lk 1:79)
30-God is our deliverer (Ps 70:5, 2Sam 22:2) Jesus is our deliverer (Rom 11:26)
31-God is called God (Is 44:8) Jesus is called God (Jn 20:28)
32-God is the king of Israel (Is 44:6) Jesus is the king of Israel (Mt 27:42, Jn 1:19)
33- God is the Alpha and Omega (Rev 1:8) Jesus is the Alpha and Omega (Rev 22:13)
34- God is the king of Kings (1 Tim 5:15-16) Jesus is the King of Kings (Rev 17:14)
35- God is worshiped by all creation( Rev 4-5) Jesus is worshiped by all creation ( Rev 5)

hope this helps !!!

Christ is your judge, and either you have received from God that what Jesus received from Him and are of Christ, anointed of God or you are not. You are your own judge of that. You know very well if you follow the one God sent to show you what it is to be anointed of God. Most don't follow His way at all, few who find His way to receive and be like Him as Jesus did in Matt 3:16.

 

[Predestined]

I think if one decides to investigate the claim that Jesus is God, you might make a list of evidence, including places in the Gospels where Jesus was given a divine title or places where Jesus exhibited the power of God. Or any other kinds of evidence might help you make the case that Jesus is God.

Civic did and outstanding job of this.

One point I like to make on this topic is that the unbelief of the Jews was not due to lack of “signs,” or evidence, but to their own blindness. Light does little good for one with diseased eyes. Jesus is God’s light, but their spiritual blindness kept them from seeing Him as God.

As shown in Luke 11:33-36
“No one after lighting a lamp puts it in a cellar or under a bushel, but on a stand, that those who enter may see the light. 34 Your eye is the lamp of your body; when your eye is sound, your whole body is full of light; but when it is not sound, your body is full of darkness. 35 Therefore be careful lest the light in you be darkness. 36 If then your whole body is full of light, having no part dark, it will be wholly bright, as when a lamp with its rays gives you light.”

We all should want to be “IN The Light” as apposed to the darkness. The darkness arises from error, ignorance, disobedience, willful blindness, and rebellion. Darkness is an evil system absolutely opposed to the light.

So if you want to be “IN The Light” You will need to understand The Deity of Christ. That the Bible teaches that Jesus is really and truly God, the second person of the Trinity. And it teaches that amazing fact over and over again, in a vast number of ways. People sometimes think that the doctrine of the deity of Christ, that Jesus is God, is based on only a few passages that are controversial. But I want you to see that this doctrine is found over and over again in Scripture. It is pervasive. It is found on nearly every page of the New Testament in one way or other.

I think the most amazing fact of all is that Jesus’ disciples who wrote the New Testament rarely argue for the deity of Christ. They didn’t need to, because the whole Christian community agreed that Jesus was God.

 

[Theo1689]

Is Jesus God,did He claim to be God and what did others say about Him ?

1-God is our judge (Ps 50:6, Eccl 12:14) Jesus is our judge (2Tim 4:1, Rev 20:12)
2-God is the temple of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:22) Jesus Christ (the Lamb)is the temple of the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:22)
3-God is the first and the last (Is 44:6, 48:12) Jesus is the first and the last (Rev 22:13)
4-God is the beginning and the end (Rev 21:6) Jesus is the beginning and the end (Rev 22:13)
5-Only God can forgive sins (Lk 5:21) Jesus forgives sins (Lk 5:20)
[...]
35- God is worshiped by all creation( Rev 4-5) Jesus is worshiped by all creation ( Rev 5)

In addititon to the volumes of Biblical evidence, for those who falsely claim that the deity of Christ "originated at Nicea (AD 325), we have the evidence of the Ante-Nicene Fathers:

1Clem. 16:2 The scepter of the majesty of God, even our Lord Jesus Christ, came not in the pomp of arrogance or of pride, though He might have done so, but in lowliness of mind, according as the Holy Spirit spake concerning Him. (Clement of Rome)

2Clem. 1:1 Brethren, we ought so to think of Jesus Christ, as of God, as of the Judge of quick and dead. (Clement of Rome)

Eph. 1:0 ...forever united and chosen, through real suffering, by the will of the Father and Jesus Christ our God. (Ignatius)

Eph. 1:1 ... Being imitators of God, you have, once restored to new life in the Blood of God, perfectly accomplished the task so natural to you. (Ignatius)

Eph. 17:2 Why do we not all become wise, having received knowledge of God, that is, Jesus Christ! ... (Ignatius)

Eph. 18:2 The fact is, our God Jesus Christ was conceived by Mary according to God’s dispensation of the seed of David,... (Ignatius)

Eph. 19:3 ... an ancient empire to be overthrown—God was making His appearance in human form to mold the newness of eternal life! ... (Ignatius)

Tral. 7:1 So, then, beware of such! And you will do so if you are not puffed up and cling inseparably to God Jesus Christ, to the bishop, and to the precepts of the Apostles. (Ignatius)

Rom. 1:0 ... beloved and illuminated through the faith and love of Jesus Christ our God; ... Heartiest good wishes for unimpaired joy in Jesus Christ our God,... (Ignatius)

Rom. 3:3 Nothing that is seen is good. Our God Jesus Christ certainly is the more clearly seen now that He is in the Father. ... (Ignatius)

Smyr. 1:1 I extol Jesus Christ, the God who has granted you such wisdom. ... (Ignatius)

Smyr. 10:1 ... it was good of you to give them a warm reception as to servants of Christ God. ... (Ignatius)

Poly. 8:3 I say good-bye to you all forever in Jesus Christ our God, through whom I wish you to be united with God and under His watchful eye. Farewell in the Lord! (Ignatius)

Phili. 12:2 ... and to us with you, and to all that are under heaven, who shall believe on our Lord and God Jesus Christ and on His Father that raised him from the dead. (Polycarp)

“And I said, ‘As you wish, Trypho, I shall come to these proofs which you seek in the fitting place; but now you will permit me first to recount the prophecies, which I wish to do in order to prove that Christ is called both God and Lord of hosts, and Jacob, in parable by the Holy Spirit;” (Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 36)

“And that Christ being Lord, and God the Son of God, and appearing formerly in power as Man, and Angel,...” (Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 128)

For they who affirm that the Son is the Father, are proved neither to have become acquainted with the Father, nor to know that the Father of the universe has a Son; who also, being the first-begotten Word of God, is even God. ... (Justin Martyr, First Apology, 63)

“God put to death! the King of Israel slain with Israel’s right hand! Alas for the new wickedness of the new murder! The Lord was exposed with naked body: He was not deemed worthy even of covering; and, in order that He might not be seen, the luminaries turned away, and the day became darkened because they slew God, who hung naked on the tree. ...” (Melito of Sardis, Part V)

“... and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, “every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess”to Him, ...” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1.10.1)

“Carefully, then, has the Holy Ghost pointed out, by what has been said, His birth from a virgin, and His essence, that He is God (for the name Emmanuel indicates this). ...” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3.21.4)

“Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the God of the living, who spake to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers.” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 4.5.2)

For it was not without divine care that so great a work was accomplished in so brief a space by the Lord, who, though despised as to appearance, was in reality adored, the expiator of sin, the Saviour, the clement, the Divine Word, He that is truly most manifest Deity,” (Clement of Alexandria, Exhortation to the Heathen, 10)

“Thus some men are very bad, and some very good; but yet the souls of all form but one genus: even in the worst there is something good, and in the best 221there is something bad. For God alone is without sin; and the only man without sin is Christ, since Christ is also God.” (Tertullian, Treatise on the Soul, Part 1, 41)

“Thus Christ is Spirit of Spirit, and God of God, as light of light is kindled.” (Tertullian, Apology, 21)

“For this reason the warders of Hades trembled when they saw Him; and the gates of brass and the bolts of iron were broken. For, lo, the Only-begotten entered, a soul among souls, God the Word with a (human) soul.” (Hippolytus, Exegetical Fragments from Commentaries, On Luke, Chapter 23)

 

[Predestined]

“For this reason the warders of Hades trembled when they saw Him; and the gates of brass and the bolts of iron were broken. For, lo, the Only-begotten entered, a soul among souls, God the Word with a (human) soul.” (Hippolytus, Exegetical Fragments from Commentaries, On Luke, Chapter 23)

The last part of your post made me think of this:
THE TRINITY EVIDENCE and ISSUES by ROBERT MOREY

There are many ways in which the authors of the New Testament clearly indicated that the God referred to in the Old Testament was at times Jesus Christ. They did this by applying to Jesus key Old Testament expressions which referred to God:

“the word of the Lord”
Isa. 2:3
and many peoples shall come, and say:
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
to the house of the God of Jacob;
that he may teach us his ways
and that we may walk in his paths.”
For out of Zion shall go forth the law,
and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.


Luke 22:61 And the Lord turned and looked at Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said to him, “Before the cock crows today, you will deny me three times.” 62 And he went out and wept bitterly.

Acts 11:16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

The expression “the word of the Lord” was used 241 times in the Old Testament to refer to the divine revelations given by Yahweh to His people. Thus, “the word of the Lord” was revealed to the prophets and they passed it on to the people.

For the writers of the New Testament to refer to the words of Jesus as “the word of the Lord” (Luke 22:61; Acts 11:16) is understandable only if they believed that He was Yahweh.

After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. 2And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

In a Vision... he could see Him... The Word... Jesus...“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”—John 1:1

 

[Gary Mac]

I think if one decides to investigate the claim that Jesus is God, you might make a list of evidence, including places in the Gospels where Jesus was given a divine title or places where Jesus exhibited the power of God. Or any other kinds of evidence might help you make the case that Jesus is God.

Absolutely everyone should investigate where Jesus said the was God and not Gods son, and his father who was his God didn't send him to show you the way to the Father. I think one would have a hard time proving that God didn't come to Jesus by His Spirit and opens up all pod who He is to him in Matt 3:16.

Civic did and outstanding job of this.

He did an outstanding explaining his beliefs instead of the reality of God manifest in him as He was manifest in Jesus as is His goal for all mankind.

One point I like to make on this topic is that the unbelief of the Jews was not due to lack of “signs,” or evidence, but to their own blindness. Light does little good for one with diseased eyes. Jesus is God’s light, but their spiritual blindness kept them from seeing Him as God.

And all who has from God that what Jesus had from God walk in the light as He is in the light just as Jesus did. Same mind be in you who was in Jesus.

As shown in Luke 11:33-36
“No one after lighting a lamp puts it in a cellar or under a bushel, but on a stand, that those who enter may see the light. 34 Your eye is the lamp of your body; when your eye is sound, your whole body is full of light; but when it is not sound, your body is full of darkness. 35 Therefore be careful lest the light in you be darkness. 36 If then your whole body is full of light, having no part dark, it will be wholly bright, as when a lamp with its rays gives you light.”

The light of God is His Spirit be in you, have His same mind, you anointed of God which is Christ in you. Christ is not a man, Christ is the disposition of man who is anointed of God. He in you and you inHim as one as Jesus was one in Him. See Jesus prayer to his God for you to be in John 17.

We all should want to be “IN The Light” as apposed to the darkness. The darkness arises from error, ignorance, disobedience, willful blindness, and rebellion. Darkness is an evil system absolutely opposed to the light.

The darkness is worshiping a man as a god instead of having from the God of Love His same light.

So if you want to be “IN The Light” You will need to understand The Deity of Christ.

Absolutely and to walk in the light as He is in the light comes only one way and that is God manifest Himself in you. just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16. But because our churches, denominations, are law bent just as the Jews and refuse to walk in the deity of the the Christ which is God manifest in you to have His same Spirit as Jesus had of Him.

These do not understand that God sent Jesus to show them what it is to be His anointed and the deity of His anointing, Christ, at work in you.

That the Bible teaches that Jesus is really and truly God, the second person of the Trinity.

Good is not a person at all, God is a Spirit and man is the temple of Him. Even Jesus didn't know God nor His heaven until God came to him by His Spirit and opens up all of His heaven to him in Matt 3:16. We are no different from the same. But just as back when today, religious minds make God a person instead of the Spirit of Love that He is and resides in man. See Matt 3:16 this is how God does it in all who will receive Him instead of dictating to Him their own rules and regulations to control a belief about a god.

And it teaches that amazing fact over and over again, in a vast number of ways.

The thing Jesus taught over and over is for God to be in you just as He was in him. Perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect, walk as He walks in His same light that you mentioned, same signs following, and he was very clear the kingdom of God doesn't come with observation but is within you, Luke 17:20-21. Not many believe Jesus though they are to busy telling him who he is according to their beliefs with no reality of God manifest in them as He was manifest in Jesus. All they have is a belief about a god. Beliefs are not real, they are speculations. The reality of Christ is God manifest in you.

People sometimes think that the doctrine of the deity of Christ, that Jesus is God, is based on only a few passages that are controversial. But I want you to see that this doctrine is found over and over again in Scripture. It is pervasive. It is found on nearly every page of the New Testament in one way or other.

These who believe Jesus was God has never met the God that sent Jesus, the One he obeyed and prayed too, and said sent him to show you the way to Him. And it is found in nearly ever page of the old and new text where Gods Spirit came to them and they became like Him. Abraham, Moses, Even Adam saw this difference and became like Him, Get 3:22, He came to Mary the same way he came to these, He came to Jesus the same way He came to these, He came to 120 the same way He came to all of these, and He comes to all today the same way He did in all of these. Sadly because man wants to rule their own beliefs, Good dissent have a say so at all how to be of Him as these were of Him.

I think the most amazing fact of all is that Jesus’ disciples who wrote the New Testament rarely argue for the deity of Christ. They didn’t need to, because the whole Christian community agreed that Jesus was God.

The Christian community is exactly as Jesus was in the Father and walk as He walks perfect as He is perfect holy pure and without sin.

The Christian community you speak of is actually as the Jews just different laws to govern your beliefs about a god just as the Jews did and do no different at all.

Now you can tell me how wrong and blasphemous it is for me to have from God that what He sent Jesus to show me what it is to be ins the Father as he was in the Father.

 

[Predestined]

Now you can tell me how wrong and blasphemous it is for me to have from God that what He sent Jesus to show me what it is to be ins the Father as he was in the Father.

Or I can tell you how blessed (happy and joyful) I am to run into you on my very first day here. But I must confess I totally disagree with what seems like a very different gospel that you're promoting. And a very weak and watered-down Jesus that excludes the real reason Jesus came Is somewhat ludicrous. I hope you have a blessed day Gary, and I'm sure I will be hearing more of your ranting.

 

[Gary Mac]

Or I can tell you how blessed (happy and joyful) I am to run into you on my very first day here. But I must confess I totally disagree with what seems like a very different gospel that you're promoting. And a very weak and watered-down Jesus that excludes the real reason Jesus came Is somewhat ludicrous. I hope you have a blessed day Gary, and I'm sure I will be hearing more of your ranting.

I understand. It is very hard to escape a religious mind that has been programmed to believe a certain way and to receive the mind of Christ yourself and walk as He walks in it that frees one from the stipulations of laws that govern a belief for a god.

Jesus understood the minds of religious minds as well and he was deemed as having a watered down view for a god to.

But I have to thank my God that by the same Spirit in me who was in Christ Jesus I am free from those laws that as yourself regulate your god for who and what your god should be for you. You have formed your own god that he may be what you would have of him instead of being of the One Who came to Jesus and opens up all of who He is to Jesus.

Jesus God the One he obeyed and prayed to is foreign to your understanding and I totally understand your position for your god.

 

[Predestined]

I understand. It is very hard to escape a religious mind that has been programmed to believe a certain way and to receive the mind of Christ yourself and walk as He walks in it that frees one from the stipulations of laws that govern a belief for a god.

Jesus understood the minds of religious minds as well and he was deemed as having a watered down view for a god to.

But I have to thank my God that by the same Spirit in me who was in Christ Jesus I am free from those laws that as yourself regulate your god for who and what your god should be for you. You have formed your own god that he may be what you would have of him instead of being of the One Who came to Jesus and opens up all of who He is to Jesus.

Jesus God the One he obeyed and prayed to is foreign to your understanding and I totally understand your position for your god.

I'm so glad you understand Gary. I think your last sentence there let the truth slip out. Jesus God, you got that part right. As for the rest of your post... Mumbo-jumbo seems to describe it quite well.

 

[Theo1689]

Hello Gary,

I usually have you on "ignore", but I decided to check out what you wrote due to Predestined's response to your "rant".

Absolutely everyone should investigate where Jesus said the was God and not Gods son,

The first thing I will say is that nobody's forcing you to believe the Trinity. The Trinity is the truth, and you should believe it, but you are free to hold whatever beliefs you wish.

Having said that, and at the risk of pointing out the obvious, if you don't understand what we believe, then there is no possible way to argue against them. In just the same way as if we don't understand what you believe, we can't effectively argue against them, it goes both ways. And it is clear that you don't understand what we believe. I hope this doesn't offend you, it's simply undeniable fact.

Absolutely everyone should investigate where Jesus said the was God and not Gods son,

Well, first of all, we believe ALL of God's word, not just the "red letters". And while Jesus did claim to be God (eg. John 8:58, 10:30), there are clearer examples by John, Thomas, Peter, Paul and Luke.

Secondly, we ALSO believe that He is "God's son", so there's no reason for us to prove "he was ... not Gods [sic] son", because we believe He IS the Son of God.

What you don't seem to understand is that "God" is not God's name, it describes WHAT He is (not "who" He is) . It is like "man", "cow", "horse", "dog", "cat". None of these are names, they are describing WHAT the individual is.

God's actual name is "YHWH" (called the "Tetragrammaton") and the persons of God have titles, "Father", "Son", and "Holy spirit". Scripture teaches that Jesus is God/deity/divine/theos/deus. Nobody is claiming that Jesus is the Father.

I am man, and son of man.
Jesus is God, and son of God.
There is no contradiction here.

and his father who was his God didn't send him to show you the way to the Father.

Again, you're asking us to "show" you things we don't believe.
We AGREE that the Father is His God (John 20:17).
We AGREE that the Father sent Him to show us the way to the Father.

I think one would have a hard time proving that God didn't come to Jesus by His Spirit and opens up all pod who He is to him in Matt 3:16.

I don't even know what you're saying here.
We don't deny Matt. 3:16.

He did an outstanding explaining his beliefs instead of the reality of God manifest in him as He was manifest in Jesus as is His goal for all mankind.

Again, not really following what you're trying to say.
But we believe every verse of Scripture, if that helps.

And all who has from God that what Jesus had from God walk in the light as He is in the light just as Jesus did. Same mind be in you who was in Jesus.

We agree with all Scripture.

The light of God is His Spirit be in you, have His same mind, you anointed of God which is Christ in you. Christ is not a man,

Well, Scripture disagrees with you here (John 1:14, Phil. 2:5-12, 1 Tim. 2:5, etc.)

So here, WE believe Scripture, while you DON'T.

The darkness is worshiping a man as a god instead of having from the God of Love His same light.

But Jesus IS "the God of Love".
There is only ONE God. And He is Triune.

Good is not a person at all, God is a Spirit and man is the temple of Him. Even Jesus didn't know God nor His heaven until God came to him by His Spirit and opens up all of His heaven to him in Matt 3:16.

"Even Jesus didn't know God until ..."?
Matt. 3:16 definitely does NOT teach that, and John 1:1 contradicts your claim.

These who believe Jesus was God has never met the God that sent Jesus,

Well, I'm sorry to tell you, but God says you're wrong.

And insulting comments like that are probably why I put you on "ignore" in the first place.

Sadly because man wants to rule their own beliefs,

That would be why you reject God's representation of Himself as Triune.
Because you want to rule your own beliefs.

Now you can tell me how wrong and blasphemous it is for me to have from God that what He sent Jesus to show me what it is to be ins the Father as he was in the Father.

Why would we tell you something is "wrong and blasphemous" when WE believe it ourselves?

Again, you clearly don't understand what we believe, and you've made a bunch of incorrect assumptions, and then asked us to "disprove" things we actually believe (which is a nonsensical request).

 

[guest1]

The last part of your post made me think of this:
THE TRINITY EVIDENCE and ISSUES by ROBERT MOREY

There are many ways in which the authors of the New Testament clearly indicated that the God referred to in the Old Testament was at times Jesus Christ. They did this by applying to Jesus key Old Testament expressions which referred to God:

“the word of the Lord”
Isa. 2:3
and many peoples shall come, and say:
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD,
to the house of the God of Jacob;
that he may teach us his ways
and that we may walk in his paths.”
For out of Zion shall go forth the law,
and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.


Luke 22:61 And the Lord turned and looked at Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said to him, “Before the cock crows today, you will deny me three times.” 62 And he went out and wept bitterly.

Acts 11:16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

The expression “the word of the Lord” was used 241 times in the Old Testament to refer to the divine revelations given by Yahweh to His people. Thus, “the word of the Lord” was revealed to the prophets and they passed it on to the people.

For the writers of the New Testament to refer to the words of Jesus as “the word of the Lord” (Luke 22:61; Acts 11:16) is understandable only if they believed that He was Yahweh.

After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. 2And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

In a Vision... he could see Him... The Word... Jesus...“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”—John 1:1

Morey's book is good.

 

[Our Lord's God]

Many who deny the deity of Jesus say that he never claimed to be God. It is true that there is no record of Jesus ever saying the words, “I am God,” but many of the things he said were in fact assertions of his deity.

For example, there is this statement in his Sermon on the Mount.



He equated being persecuted for righteousness’ sake for being persecuted for his sake. Only God, the source of all righteousness, could make such a claim. And what about this statement near the end of the sermon?



In saying that he will decide who enters the kingdom he is claiming to be God, just as the Father is.

He claimed to have the authority to forgive sins.



The scribes were correct. Only God can forgive sins. Jesus was claiming to be God, and he backed up his claim by what he did next.



There was one time when Jesus plainly said that he was God.



To understand the significance of what Jesus said we must look at what God said to Moses in their first encounter.



Jesus was declaring that he was the God who spoke to Moses.

Jesus did make one statement which some say was a denial of his deity.



It sounds as if Jesus was telling the ruler he shouldn’t call him good because only God is good, but in fact he didn’t say the ruler was wrong in what he said. He was asking him if he understood. The conversation ended with Jesus again saying he was God.



The ruler had asked how to inherit eternal life; Jesus said that the way was to follow him.

When we read the gospels in English it might not always be clear that Jesus said he was God, but those who heard him had no trouble understanding.

NO, Jesus did not claim to be God.

He never even declared himself to be the Christ even though the Jews begged him to tell them.

Swaggering Jesus is not the true Jesus.

 

[Predestined]

Many who deny the deity of Jesus say that he never claimed to be God. It is true that there is no record of Jesus ever saying the words, “I am God,” but many of the things he said were in fact assertions of his deity.

For example, there is this statement in his Sermon on the Mount.



He equated being persecuted for righteousness’ sake for being persecuted for his sake. Only God, the source of all righteousness, could make such a claim. And what about this statement near the end of the sermon?



In saying that he will decide who enters the kingdom he is claiming to be God, just as the Father is.

He claimed to have the authority to forgive sins.



The scribes were correct. Only God can forgive sins. Jesus was claiming to be God, and he backed up his claim by what he did next.



There was one time when Jesus plainly said that he was God.



To understand the significance of what Jesus said we must look at what God said to Moses in their first encounter.



Jesus was declaring that he was the God who spoke to Moses.

Jesus did make one statement which some say was a denial of his deity.



It sounds as if Jesus was telling the ruler he shouldn’t call him good because only God is good, but in fact he didn’t say the ruler was wrong in what he said. He was asking him if he understood. The conversation ended with Jesus again saying he was God.



The ruler had asked how to inherit eternal life; Jesus said that the way was to follow him.

When we read the gospels in English it might not always be clear that Jesus said he was God, but those who heard him had no trouble understanding.

Excellent post. It's really sad that some of us claiming to be followers of Christ don't understand who he is. I found this today and it goes along with everything you shared with us:

Jesus tells us who He is: “Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.… Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am” (John 8:56, 58). He did not say, “Before Abraham was, I was.” He said, “I am.” This and other “I am” statements from John’s gospel come from two Greek words: egō (I) and eimi (I am). In Greek, eimi is sufficient to say, “I am,” yet Jesus did not merely say, “Eimi the way, the truth, and the life,” or “Eimi the door.”

Instead, He used both words—“Egō eimi”—which made His point emphatically: “I am.” The significance of this was not missed by the first-century community: Greek-speaking Jews wrote the sacred name of God as “Yahweh,” which is translated, “I am who I am”—so when Jesus used this emphatic construction about Himself, He was clearly identifying Himself with the sacred name of God.

Similarly, He claimed nothing less than the authority of God when He used the title Son of Man, referring to the One who comes into the presence of the Ancient of Days, coming with the clouds of heaven (Dan. 7:13). Using that phraseology, Jesus said, “The Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:28). God instituted and regulates the Sabbath, so for Christ to say He is lord of the Sabbath was to identify Himself with deity.

On another occasion, He healed a man so that the religious authorities “may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins” (Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10; Luke 5:24). The enemies of Jesus were outraged that Jesus was “making himself equal with God” (John 5:18). Because only God has the power to forgive sins.
From Who Is Jesus? - R.C. Sproul

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[Predestined]

Everyone who has received from God that what Jesus received from Him walk in that same deity Jesus walked in from God.

So you claim to have received from God what Jesus received from God therefore you walk in the same deity as Jesus. Wow... I'm going to go look for that ignore button right now.

 

[Terry43]

Excellent post. It's really sad that some of us claiming to be followers of Christ don't understand who he is. I found this today and it goes along with everything you shared with us:

Jesus tells us who He is: “Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.… Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am” (John 8:56, 58). He did not say, “Before Abraham was, I was.” He said, “I am.” This and other “I am” statements from John’s gospel come from two Greek words: egō (I) and eimi (I am). In Greek, eimi is sufficient to say, “I am,” yet Jesus did not merely say, “Eimi the way, the truth, and the life,” or “Eimi the door.”

Instead, He used both words—“Egō eimi”—which made His point emphatically: “I am.” The significance of this was not missed by the first-century community: Greek-speaking Jews wrote the sacred name of God as “Yahweh,” which is translated, “I am who I am”—so when Jesus used this emphatic construction about Himself, He was clearly identifying Himself with the sacred name of God.

Similarly, He claimed nothing less than the authority of God when He used the title Son of Man, referring to the One who comes into the presence of the Ancient of Days, coming with the clouds of heaven (Dan. 7:13). Using that phraseology, Jesus said, “The Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:28). God instituted and regulates the Sabbath, so for Christ to say He is lord of the Sabbath was to identify Himself with deity.

On another occasion, He healed a man so that the religious authorities “may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins” (Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10; Luke 5:24). The enemies of Jesus were outraged that Jesus was “making himself equal with God” (John 5:18). Because only God has the power to forgive sins.
From Who Is Jesus? - R.C. Sproul

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Indeed, His "I am " statement was understood by those that heard Him... that is the claim that led to the crucification for blasphamy